If it isn't a Christian God giving me premonitions, it is most definitely a God that wants me to think he is. How's that for an answer?
It wasn't. And in fact you managed to pretty much dodge each and every one of the questions I asked. How is a rare occurrence a "premonition" from some deity? How do you know that "a God" is giving you premonitions?
One example is that he has awakened me and pointed me to Bible scripture and had me focus on a particular scripture to emphasize that the 23 year old stories are things he is remindking me of. That is how I know.
There are plenty of unlikely stories like yours, from other religions such as Islam. Did you ever think to question your subjective personal interpretation, first, instead of buying it wholesale? Did you ever stop to think that it is b/c of your presumptions (regarding the Bible etc) that you have come to this concussion, and that it is NOT a correct interpretation?
I might have worried about the correct interpretation of why my old stories match new events until God reinforced it with the confirming scripture. And secondly, I do doubt my interpretation of obscure incidences like I had no freaking Idea waht a dream about my leg being amputated means. After finding this site, I interpret it as a premonition of being here. So yes I do question my interpretations all the time.
You, "[/size]may have misinterpreted something along the line" seems quite right. Have you explored this option in detail? What other options of interpretation have you considered?
Sometimes, it is rally easy to figure out,other times I have no idea... for a while.
I like and trust the motivations of David Barton.
But "like" and "trust" are not pathways to truth. However, they ARE often pathways to ERROR. Of course you like Barton, because he agrees with your presuppositions. But that is aside from the question I asked you. Why are you dismissing the counter-examples, and other information, that disproves your assertion?
I'll answer that one with a question. Do you believe that my assertion that single motherhood leads to dependency and the overwhelming of the welfare system? I ask because others here celebrate single motherhood and Barton and I think that's a bad Idea. Your stats, whatever they are, and my stats that some here wish to dismiss could all be misrepresentitive of something, but what we can get form this discussion is that Atheist philosophies as demonstrated here are what Barton and I would call anti family. The anti family element tends to dependence, and a welfare state that is bankrupting the country. Barton and I are pointing to truth. I like that and as you said: But "like" and "trust" are not pathways to truth. However, they ARE often pathways to ERROR. It just may be that my liking Barton is not, in this specific case difinitively a pathway to error. I'm sure you could agree with that.
The thread asks you to provide sound evidence and sound argument for believing your deity is real (and not just imaginary). That is the OP. But you haven't done that. You've given a story of a coincidence (at best).
I'd like to correct myself here. I have used coincidence in cases where that term doesn't apply.
In fact, you even called it a "remarkable coincidence" yourself!
Consider that an error of mine.
How can you tell the difference between a rare occurrence and something from your alleged deity?
An occurrence could be rare and not be from God. The best description of the difference is in the meanings that can be derived from remarkable incidences. I will give many examples for you to peruse at the bottom of this post.
Please read Mark 16, because this story doesn't come anywhere near something Jesus supposedly claimed his disciples would all do. 1 Corinthians 2 also has a bit to say about this (as well as passages in Matthew).
I'll paste some of it in herre for you and comment;
"And so it was with me, brothers and sisters. When I came to you, I did not come with eloquence or human wisdom as I proclaimed to you the testimony about God.[a] 2 For I resolved to know nothing while I was with you except Jesus Christ and him crucified. 3 I came to you in weakness with great fear and trembling. 4 My message and my preaching were not with wise and persuasive words, but with a demonstration of the Spirit’s power, 5 so that your faith might not rest on human wisdom, but on God’s power.
Wow, that was really inspired of you to pick that verse. Paul nailed it right on the head didn't he. There is no way I could have picked a better example of what is going on here. See, I'm like Paul, unable to intelectually persuade you, only offer you proof of God's power in my stories.
How did you do that median? That was amazing, the scripture you gave us just answered your question for me. My God is so great! "...that your faith might not rest on human wisdom, but on God’s power."
So, the OP clearly calls upon you to demonstrate how you know your interpretations of said happenings are in fact accurate. At present, you haven't given any good distinction between yourself and those who are extremely superstitious, gullible, or credulous.
My stories below will speak for themselves. The body of them together should substantiate that my interpretations of them aren't supersitious.
Faith is not a pathway to truth.
You are talking to someone who believes that Jesus Christ is who he said he was, Truth incarnate. He said: I am the Way the Truth and the Life, no man comes to the father but by Me. That for me is an authoritative statement from someone I trust. I may not know a lot of things, but I know that.
I don't read psychology today, as you may have guessed. The next thing I expect them to start arguing and promoting is that pedophilia is just a sexual orientation. Sorry but I am openly bigoted on such matters.
You do realize that you've just thrown out your credibility entirely, right?
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that the casual observer, hearing that I admit that I'm bigoted with regard to pedophelia, can see it as a wry way of pointing out the direction of psychology in justifying aberrent behaviors as normal is something that I am critical of. It may satisfy a need of yours to dismiss me altogether because I have heard all I need to hear from studies like the one in the news from Britain that is pointing in that direction. Psychology today has published articles that I disagree with. Let's just say, I trust them as much as you trust Barton. Can't we all just get along?
You've admitted that you are bigotted (and willfully ignorant) when it comes to questions of fact - which is another way of stating that you don't care whether or not your beliefs are actually true. You just want to believe. And if that is the case, then why not just say it? Admit that you don't really care if you're beliefs are true and that you'd rather just be comfortable believing what you have for a long time. That would be true honesty.
You went a long way to say that I don't like the truth, and you neednt do that. I am fully committed to the truth.
I am well aware of what you believe (at least to some extent). What we are asking is WHY.
I believe because he has proved himself personally to me as my stories below attest.
This 1989 story cannot be the main reason because you believed this stuff BEFORE that.
I have stories that predate that, I use that one because this site asks Why God Doesn't Heal Amutees, My story explains Why God Let Those Kids Die. There is a connection between my story and this site that My God specifically directed me here to expound on and he did it and confirmed it to me by giving me a dream beforehand about having my leg amputated. My God guides me and I believe in him for that. He guides me and therefore He is real.
So what is the reason? I said earlier that faith is not a pathway to truth.
I think taht my experiences confirm faith and therefore I'm not entirely guided by faith, but by experience. It may not be the case for others as it is with me, but faith is a key element.
I don't agree that faith is not a pathway to truth, that only works for Aheism. (Or doesnt work, whatever.) You use it as a maxim, I say it is false.
If your only reason is that you "just have faith" then OK. But then I have to ask why faith is valuable, because as far as I'm concerned it is not a virtue but a vice. You believe that Jesus said X,Y, and Z but why? Haven't you just accepted the bible uncritically from the beginning and are now filtering everything through your assumption? And you don't find flaw there?
I might have a tendency to take the bible seriously more thatn others simply by the fact that I have been directed specifically by it. I don't undserstand it all but my experience has persuaded me that God has messages for me in it if I am willing to listen when his spirit speaks, as it did with the confirmation taht he was reminding me of things that he had previously taught me. See John 14:26
I think I understand what you mean by faith is not a pathway to truth, because for you it is true, it just isn't for me. But it just might be that for someone like me that has had the kind of direct encounter with incidences that are often misnamed coincidences, the question that this thread asks might not just be an intellectual excersize. I have tried to translate it intellectually though.
I really don't think it is lost on everyone here what my part in validating my belief in god has to do with remarkable incidents whose unlikelyhood eliminates them from the cooincidence category. Now, I have been accused of being an egoist and wanting to be the center of attention, and if I was making these remarkable non coincidental things up or imagining them then I might be guilty as charged.
As I see it, I was given these incidences by God to share and it has nothing to do with my ego.
Since my case for the existence of god centers around my remarkable supernatural incidences, let me rattle off a list of them that I know are more than coincidence. Here we go:
I catch a plane with a 007 movie star. My phone number ends in 0070. The crew makes a big big deal about my cell phone actually creating a drama before me about the whole thing, and doesn't themselves know that my phone ends in 0070. I find out later the movie star has become a dedicated Christian and tells of his (supernatural) conversion that saves him a life of alcoholism. This was not a coincidence it was an encounter staged by god. http://tinyurl.com/007Revisited
In the 70's I get a sharp repremand while driving a car in the dark at high speed that causes me to virtually slam on the brakes. A group of cows and I would have been slaughtered if I hadn't.http://tinyurl.com/MercuryMontclair
Montclair (Protection) link to Ford Social
I was awoken in the 70s by a presence in the middle of the night that lead me to a typewriter. In the dark I could sense where all the keys were and experienced the intuitive typing that I couldn't achieve in a college class. Now (in retrospect) I know it was an early visitation telling me that I would be a writer, but the writing subject matter would be prophetic information hidden in otherwise obscure but interesting stories I'd write. So I was being told for instance that a spirit would guide me to write things in the 1990s that wouldn't reveal their complete meanings until for example 2011.
Here's a story how, I like an early American preacher, reverse course from a spiritual prompt to discover something remarkable. http://tinyurl.com/PrecinctsOfRepublic
Here's one about Alfred Hitchcock's cinematographer whose son in law just awarded me a certificate of completion for passing a course on the Constitution. http://tinyurl.com/movieodyssey
Here's one on how the Spirit of God helped me in a tough decision to euthanize my dog Toby. http://tinyurl.com/85xd4wx
In this one I hear my computer reboot unaccountably and when I go to the computer it has opened in Word with a fresh page, and I for the first time make a connection between two unrealted incidences. Someone was telling me, OK, now it's time to write. http://tinyurl.com/JudgeGuilford
Here a kidney stone gives me something funny to write about. http://tinyurl.com/WaynesVirtualBaby
Here I'm wakened in the middle of the night and my hand is placed before my eyes for me to see a birthmark that never meant anything before. I knew exactly what it was. It was a signature of the Holy Spirit. http://tinyurl.com/7vgquq2
I'm feeling depressed one day about something out of my control and God sends me a friend to change my attitude http://tinyurl.com/maxsquirrel
An auto repair venture shows God's specific guidance http://tinyurl.com/JeepDeathWobble
Warning, this one is about gay marriage. God doesn't like it.
CrazyEyes (being treated like Michele Bachmann) in New York on a TV show. http://tinyurl.com/7zn63zv
The gas Company and Colombo (Guidance as contractor)http://tinyurl.com/WayneAsColumbo
God tells me my step mother broke her ankle, I deliver her a car. http://tinyurl.com/7d3he5f
More about the 77 Buick Regal.http://tinyurl.com/7s5smvh
Greenlight (Protection) I stop unaccountably at a green light.http://tinyurl.com/williamshakes
What I have in common with William Shakespeare (it's not the hair)
The mystery of TwelveThirteen http://tinyurl.com/HWY101101 http://tinyurl.com/CattleOnThousandHills
I got a lot of guff earlier here from Jag for stealing gas.
Now, if the administrator decides that this post is inappropriate, you will not have access to my substantial body of evidence that God guides, provides, teaches, He knows stuff we don't know, and for some reason has my number.
I do appreciate all of you having put up with me as long as you have. I did my best in answering when I could, and obviously I don't have all the answers that can satisfy your intellectual curiosities. I think we can conclude that the God I am validating can at will transcend the rational. I want to remind you that I did in fact have a dream that my leg was amputated, and then cauterized by fire just a day or two before meeting you all. I want to thank you all for being that blow torch, it hurt but only for a while, and I'll manage to live without the use of the rest of it and shall not require of god to make it reappear. The amputated leg will have been one of my most entertaining premonitions because of you.
If I'm allowed back I may share with you my now-incomplete angels wing story. Like the amputated leg, it is currently in the stage where I'm not exactly sure what it means. Until I found this site I didn't know what amputated leg meant, now I know.
So, In conclusion, my God is real, he gives me joy as you can see, his judgements scare the bejesus out of me, and He is the same God that the bible talks about because he uses bible scripture to tell me things.
He is also a God that blinds unbelievers to his existence. I quoted that Scripture earlier.
I hope I came close in this attempt to answer questions directly. I'm going to bed now. Thanks again.
I'm sure that my refocusing on the incidences as my validation of the existence of the Judeo Christian, and fail If it is true, that God himself set up these incidences for me to write about, and I only cast it Note from moderator: I hesitated to approve this post but since part of it was in response to another member, I went ahead and did it. I could have (and still could) edited out the many new links you provided. I'll be more stringent next time you spend most of the post giving us more links. One of the intentions of moderating you is to get you to respond to the many posts people have made responding to previous links. Don't get too far ahead of yourself.
I repeat. Our expectation is that you will enter into a conversation with various members instead of talking at us. Obviously you are one person and can't respond to everyone, but you can make an effort. None of this precludes your trying to get your message across, as long as you do it in the form of a response rather than from atop a soapbox.