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Re: If amputees start getting "miraculously" healed, would you believe?
« Reply #58 on: December 21, 2012, 12:49:27 PM »
Faith implies knowledge. If there is absolutely no knowledge, there than can be no faith. There is no such thing as total blind faith.
Only partial blind faith exists.

Faith implies knowledge? How so? From where did you get this idea? Dr. Greg Bahnsen?

Faith does not imply knowledge. Faith implies faith. Having no knowledge of something (i.e. a deity named Yahweh) does not at all prevent you front having "faith" (believing in the absence of demonstrable evidence). Kids don't need knowledge of Santa Claus to believe without evidence.


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Re: If amputees start getting "miraculously" healed, would you believe?
« Reply #59 on: December 21, 2012, 12:58:20 PM »
Faith implies knowledge. If there is absolutely no knowledge, there than can be no faith. There is no such thing as total blind faith.

Only partial blind faith exists.



So you're partially blind and acting as your own seeing eye dog and you're wondering why we don't want to join you. Weird.

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Re: If amputees start getting "miraculously" healed, would you believe?
« Reply #60 on: December 25, 2012, 07:09:14 PM »
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Faith implies knowledge. If there is absolutely no knowledge, there than can be no faith. There is no such thing as total blind faith.

Only partial blind faith exists.

This does not address my point that if you convince us of the existence of god through evidence, we will not have faith, and that that is not the kind of believer you claim the god wants. You are attempting to create the kind of believers that are not desired by your god. Why are you doing that?
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Re: If amputees start getting "miraculously" healed, would you believe?
« Reply #61 on: December 28, 2012, 09:03:38 AM »
Only partial blind faith exists.

what would that be called, myopic faith?  astigmatic faith?

silly.
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Re: If amputees start getting "miraculously" healed, would you believe?
« Reply #62 on: December 28, 2012, 09:47:43 AM »
Faith implies knowledge. If there is absolutely no knowledge, there than can be no faith. There is no such thing as total blind faith.

Only partial blind faith exists.
I almost agree with you. If there is something out there of which you are totally unaware, there can be no knowledge or faith. You must have an idea in the first place so as to apply knowledge and/or faith.

The trouble is that there are two things in religion "a god" and "a concept of a god".

You and I both have a "concept of a god"; we have ideas as to what those words mean. Both you and I place, Yahweh, Christ, Zeus, Thor, etc in the category of "gods of whom we have a concept."

However, we must not confuse 'God Himself' with 'the concept of a god' - I know God Himself does not exist but the concept of God does exist. OTOH, you know he does exist and know the concept of gods exists.

So your, " If there is absolutely no knowledge, there than can be no faith." should be "If there is absolutely no concept, there than can be no faith..." and the rest flows.

e.g. I can conceive of Australia and God but, as I know there is an Australia and do not know there is a God, I can only have real knowledge of Australia and only a concept of God.
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Re: If amputees start getting "miraculously" healed, would you believe?
« Reply #63 on: December 29, 2012, 01:38:21 PM »
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Re: If amputees start getting "miraculously" healed, would you believe?
« Reply #64 on: December 29, 2012, 01:47:17 PM »
Only partial blind faith exists.

what would that be called, myopic faith?  astigmatic faith?

silly.


Or, you can just wear really dark rose colored glasses.
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Re: If amputees start getting "miraculously" healed, would you believe?
« Reply #65 on: January 04, 2013, 03:11:11 PM »
Does it really matter? If you went around healing people, how could you prove it to be god and not witch craft? or the devil?

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Re: If amputees start getting "miraculously" healed, would you believe?
« Reply #66 on: January 04, 2013, 03:20:41 PM »
Does it really matter? If you went around healing people, how could you prove it to be god and not witch craft? or the devil?
Similarly, what is the proof that the Bible isn't a someone muddled propaganda book for an evil Deity named Yahweh?
Most theist/atheist arguments tend to boil down to this: Theists quote scriptures as if they were facts and atheists cite facts as if they were facts.