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Ninjef:
From WWGHA, Chapter 5:
"In Matthew 17:20 Jesus reiterates that same message:

For truly, I say to you, if you have faith as a grain of mustard seed, you will say to this mountain, 'Move from here to there,' and it will move; and nothing will be impossible to you.
Since a mustard seed is a tiny inanimate object about the size of a grain of salt, it is easy to imagine that the faith of a mustard seed is fairly small. So, paraphrasing, what Jesus is saying is that if you have the tiniest bit of faith, you can move mountains."

What if very few people (or nobody but Jesus) have ever truly had this tiniest bit of faith? What if the message is that we are all faithless, and that if we had even the tiniest bit of faith we would know that we had it because incredible miracles would be happening all the time?

Or what if the qualities it takes to have enough faith to move mountains also very commonly cause people to not really care to have their limbs regrown?

These are simple questions which I feel have not at all been addressed in WWGHA.

Thanks,
-jef

Astreja:

--- Quote from: Ninjef on July 24, 2012, 10:57:11 PM ---What if very few people (or nobody but Jesus) have ever truly had this tiniest bit of faith? What if the message is that we are all faithless, and that if we had even the tiniest bit of faith we would know that we had it because incredible miracles would be happening all the time?
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Personally, Jef, I think that faith does not possess any magical powers and is 100% incapable of causing any miracles on its own.  The human experience thus far clearly indicates that it's physical effort that moves the mountains, literally and figuratively.  Faith may inspire someone to pick up a shovel and start loading that mountain into a wheelbarrow, though.

The Gawd:

--- Quote from: Ninjef on July 24, 2012, 10:57:11 PM ---From WWGHA, Chapter 5:
"In Matthew 17:20 Jesus reiterates that same message:

For truly, I say to you, if you have faith as a grain of mustard seed, you will say to this mountain, 'Move from here to there,' and it will move; and nothing will be impossible to you.
Since a mustard seed is a tiny inanimate object about the size of a grain of salt, it is easy to imagine that the faith of a mustard seed is fairly small. So, paraphrasing, what Jesus is saying is that if you have the tiniest bit of faith, you can move mountains."

What if very few people (or nobody but Jesus) have ever truly had this tiniest bit of faith? What if the message is that we are all faithless, and that if we had even the tiniest bit of faith we would know that we had it because incredible miracles would be happening all the time?

Or what if the qualities it takes to have enough faith to move mountains also very commonly cause people to not really care to have their limbs regrown?

These are simple questions which I feel have not at all been addressed in WWGHA.

Thanks,
-jef

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Then you disagree with people when they claim miracles happen because of prayer then, no? At which case then WWGHA is correct again and as thorough as it needs to be.

oogabooga:

--- Quote from: Ninjef on July 24, 2012, 10:57:11 PM ---What if very few people (or nobody but Jesus) have ever truly had this tiniest bit of faith? What if the message is that we are all faithless, and that if we had even the tiniest bit of faith we would know that we had it because incredible miracles would be happening all the time?

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If people are incapable of the tiniest bit of faith, religious becomes superfluous and useless. Why believe in god if you can't believe in god? Which would also mean that there's no heaven for anyone. I'm pretty sure that wouldn't go down well with the Christian community in general.


--- Quote ---Or what if the qualities it takes to have enough faith to move mountains also very commonly cause people to not really care to have their limbs regrown?

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That's not the question. Not caring if your limb regrows should serve as more of an incentive to god to help you, since you're not selfish. And god supposedly loves to help those who don't pray for their own selfish desires.

But that's not the point either. There are no mountains being moved by faith alone, there are no limbs regrown by an omnipotent god, regardless of what people do in order to achieve that. No amount of prayer has ever produced anything that doesn't regularly occur in nature without any kind of intervention of Christians. Simply put: there are no 'miracles' that wouldn't have happened regardless of the amount of people who believe in any kind of god. Stuff happens. It happens to everyone. And no matter how much you believe or how fervently or often you pray, it'll keep happening the very same way.


--- Quote ---These are simple questions which I feel have not at all been addressed in WWGHA.

Thanks,
-jef

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Frankly, those are not questions, they're fairly lame attempts at cop-outs. By ignoring the fact that the whole title is a metaphor for an obvious miracle you've created a straw man and you're trying to beat it silly. It's been attempted before, you know.

Grimm:
If faith is a requirement for salvation, and if, throughout human history, no one has had even that tiniest iota of faith, then what is the point of the religion and salvation in the first place?

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