I shouldn't have to explain the harm of religion to you guys, I think you're engaging in some pretty interesting double think here.
We know religion is bad, but Islam isn't.
Show me where anyone
in this thread said anything
like that. What are you talking about?
We know when people claim that a few extremists are giving their religion a bad image that they are using a No True Scotsman fallacy, but when Muslims make that claim it's totally reasonable.
That's not the No True Scotsman fallacy. Whether it's right or wrong, that's a point about demographics. That's a point about what most Muslims believe and how most Muslims live. That's not the same thing as writing people out of Islam.
Do you know what the No True Scotsman fallacy is?
We know that Christians lie about their religion to make it seem less vile, but Muslims don't (even though their book tells them to).
We also know that Christians lie to themselves
about what's in their books and traditions. We also know that Christians don't believe everything that's in their books and that, in many cases, they are unaware of what's in them in the first place. Why would we expect Muslims to be any different?
See, this is my problem with what you've been saying. It seems like you've come to your own conclusions about the content of Islam. That's fine. I have no problem with that. What I have a problem with is you trying to impose that view of Islam onto the Muslims in our lives, people you don't even know, as if no competing view is even possible. I mean, I think it's pretty clear that the Bible condones slavery but there are plenty of Christians out there that will go to the mattresses defending the claim that it doesn't.
We know that Sharia'ah law is spreading, but we shouldn't worry about it.
As best I can tell, the use of sharia law in the US is limited to the arbitration of private disputes between conservative Muslims that would want that sort of thing. Similarly, there are Halakha courts for conservative Jews. I'm not sure why I'm supposed to be pissing my pants about that or how it's supposed to lead to my woman wearing the hijab.
Many many Muslims claim that their goal is a global Muslim state, but we don't believe it.
Here's where I'm coming from, one of my best friends in the whole wide world is a Muslim. He came to it when he was in a very bad place. Or rather, he came to the Nation of Islam, which is different. He was locked up and struggling with alcohol addiction. He had hit bottom there. The Nation of Islam is a nutty organization as far as I'm concerned, actually as far as he's concerned too, but they also might have been instrumental in saving his life. Since then, that would be about 15 years ago, he's moved to the mainstream of Islam. This is a brother that I can talk to about anything. Outside of family, this is probably the only dude that I can call up feeling broken and hang up the phone feeling whole again. I love this man like a got damn brother.
I've got another little set of friends, two brothers and a sister. We're not as close as we used to be these days. They're second generation Iranian imigrants. Their parents came to the US right before the revoultion. I met them through the eldest brother who is a few years older than me...that would have been about 12 years ago. Like me, he was a DJ. Unlike me, he tended more towards dancehall and soca and all that kind of stuff. But we both mixed hip-hop. I briefly dated his sister,. who is now married and a surprisingly devout Catholic convert. She lives out of state now so we don't really talk much anymore, aside from the occasional facebook exchange. But I do still talk with her brothers who are both still ostensibly Muslims...though they don't regularly go to the mosque and will drink you under the table with the quickness.
I say that to say this. I don't think that these are people that are interested in establishing a global Muslim state. I'm sure there are Muslims that are interested in that. But I don't know any of them. And maybe I'm not being vigilant enough or something but I just can't entertain the thought that they've all been lying to me for years and years, secretly plotting to cover my woman's hair. That doesn't even make sense to me. Maybe this is me being naive, or maybe Muslims are human beings that can maintain friendships.
Honestly, when I read your posts about this topic I can't help but think that it's you
that's engaging in double think. You presumably believe that the talking points of the Christian right are nonsense....unless they happen to be talking about Muslims, in which case you're perfectly happy to parrot whatever idiocy that the Michelle Bachmanns and Glenn Becks of the world are peddling. But maybe I've got it twisted. Maybe I just need to read whatever Pamela Geller has to say about all this. Maybe Huma Abedin really does belong to the Muslim Brotherhood. Maybe she and Keith Elison are really infiltrating the highest levels of government. Or maybe you're just a small minded bigot who's not nearly as smart or informed as he thinks he is. Who knows?!