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Re: Gnu asks joe a question about adoption
« Reply #232 on: July 27, 2012, 10:57:23 AM »
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1. Market trends. Do just as many people buy animated porn as live action porn? No. Stands to reason that they're not getting the same results from the fake stuff.

The fake stuff is getting better every day and will continue to get better.  As the mainstream movie producers use CGI more and more, it will get cheaper for everyone and quality will improve.  pron will always be 1 generation behind, but so what?  At some point it will be good enough that you cannot tell the difference between cgi and the real stuff. 
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Re: Gnu asks joe a question about adoption
« Reply #233 on: July 27, 2012, 10:59:53 AM »
You're mistaken. Statutory rape does not mean it was consensual as you stated. It simply refers to all sex with a minor under the age of consent, short of forcible rape. Therefore, as I said, the first three are all considered statutory rape. The third most closely fits the definition here, while the 4th is just plain rape.

I have never heard the terms interpreted or used in the sense you are using them. I may very well have been wrong, I'm not a lawyer and don't know legal uses of the term. But IMO common language statutory implies consent was given. I think it is VERY important to distinguish between statutory consensual rape and non consensual rape. With out this distinction you aren't taking in account the abuse of the victim. I would like to so see you re-do your 4 examples with inclusion of this distinction.
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Re: Gnu asks joe a question about adoption
« Reply #234 on: July 27, 2012, 11:13:55 AM »
I remember reading about a sting in a child porn ring like five or so years ago in...I want to say Texas.  I don't remember.  There was one detail that stood out to me that I haven't been able to forget even though I've since forgotten just about everything else about the story.  (Otherwise I would link it.)  Apparently they were producing movies with no audio.  I remember this because it was reported that the FBI intercepted communication in which their customers were asking them to fix that so that they could hear the children cry.  Just saying.

I don't know how much anyone in this thread can really put ourselves in these people's shoes.  However rapey some of his posts can be, joe really isn't a pedophile.  So I'm not sure why we're going into a discussion of whether or not CGI porn would or should be satisfactory to pedophiles.  We're not them.
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Re: Gnu asks joe a question about adoption
« Reply #235 on: July 27, 2012, 11:34:32 AM »
Just out of curiosity Joe - what are your wife's thoughts about this thread?  Would she be willing to sign up to WWGHA to participate in this conversation?

Well, she can't read or write or speak English. But from what I know of her, she would think you're all crazy. She knows I'm not dangerous as she knows all normal males are attracted to sexually developed females.

I just asked her my question about legalizing the possession of child pornography and she said whatever choice means less rape is the best, though she thinks it wouldn't make a difference. "Rapists don't have computers, they're crazy people that live on the streets." Sometimes her lack of education is appalling, good thing she's gorgeous.

And I would love to hear about how, in the absence of any "adoption authorities," in an exceptionally bureaucratic communist country, this abandoned child managed to get a birth certificate.  Which Joe claims she has. 

"Exceptionally bureaucratic", haha. I can buy a passport right down the street. You don't have a fucking clue what you're talking about.
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Re: Gnu asks joe a question about adoption
« Reply #236 on: July 27, 2012, 11:41:42 AM »
*raises hand*
I'm perfectly satisfied with animated porn. Fact: it makes up the bulk of my porn.

I can get off with animation just fine. Especially with bisexual porn! :laugh:

I don't know how old Tim is, but I know how old Lucifer is, and that raises a good point. Perhaps the younger generation, raised on animation, aren't nearly as affected by the uncanny valley. It's quite possible that animated porn may be more effective for them.
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Re: Gnu asks joe a question about adoption
« Reply #237 on: July 27, 2012, 11:47:41 AM »
I don't know how old Tim is, but I know how old Lucifer is, and that raises a good point. Perhaps the younger generation, raised on animation, aren't nearly as affected by the uncanny valley. It's quite possible that animated porn may be more effective for them.

And you know how I was raised? Incredible! Tell me more about myself.

On an unrelated note, your previous post (not the one I'm quoting) tells me, among other things, that I was right about the false-consensus effect on another subject.
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Re: Gnu asks joe a question about adoption
« Reply #238 on: July 27, 2012, 11:55:11 AM »
I think it is VERY important to distinguish between statutory consensual rape and non consensual rape. With out this distinction you aren't taking in account the abuse of the victim. I would like to so see you re-do your 4 examples with inclusion of this distinction.

I already put statutory consensual rape and non consensual rape in seperate categories. I've already made the distinction. In fact I created two seperate categories of statutory consensual rape based on the minor's level of understanding, and two seperate categories of non consensual rape based on whether or not the minor resisted.

Can you explain what I'm missing? I don't understand.

Edit: aah I think you want me to label the consensual acts "statutory rape" and the non consensual acts "rape". You see, I don't feel it's accurate to label consensual sex rape, so I called those "second degree sex with a minor" and "first degree sex with a minor". The third is what I would call rape, though I think there should be a distinction between forcible rape and this.
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Re: Gnu asks joe a question about adoption
« Reply #239 on: July 27, 2012, 11:57:27 AM »
And you know how I was raised? Incredible! Tell me more about myself.

I know that most of your porn is animated. Of course, my source could be wrong.
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Re: Gnu asks joe a question about adoption
« Reply #240 on: July 27, 2012, 11:59:50 AM »
I know that most of your porn is animated. Of course, my source could be wrong.

Which has nothing to do with my question, and you know it. If you want to dodge the fact that you're talking out of your ass, do so in a less conspicuous manner.
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Re: Gnu asks joe a question about adoption
« Reply #241 on: July 27, 2012, 12:11:58 PM »
Which has nothing to do with my question, and you know it. If you want to dodge the fact that you're talking out of your ass, do so in a less conspicuous manner.

You could be less confrontational you know. You don't have to be a jackass all the time. I didn't say anything about how you, personally, were raised, did I? When you said that most of your porn was animated, and I remembered how young you were, it made me think about the younger generation who are exposed to much more animation and CGI than previous generations. Do you think that obvious fact is "talking out of my ass"?
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Re: Gnu asks joe a question about adoption
« Reply #242 on: July 27, 2012, 12:15:59 PM »
You could be less confrontational you know. You don't have to be a jackass all the time.

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Re: Gnu asks joe a question about adoption
« Reply #243 on: July 27, 2012, 12:17:38 PM »
Edit: aah I think you want me to label the consensual acts "statutory rape" the the non consensual acts "rape". You see, I don't feel it's accurate to label consensual sex rape, so I called those "second degree sex with a minor" and "first degree sex with a minor". The third is what I would call rape, though I think there should be a distinction between forcible rape and this.

I think it was a miss communication problem. It may or may not have been on my end. If it was me, my apologies.

Joe I'm still not sure if we are understanding one another. In the third one specifically... I understood what you meant in all the other examples. But in the third force could be verbal, physical, emotional, or mental. Basically, would you agree that in the third one it's not as simple as "they didn't fight back"? Would you agree that they may not fight back because of a perceived threat, whether or not one was actually presented?

To be honest I can't even imagine an example where #3 could be consensual. Either the consent would be coerced or non existence. Either way it would be rape with out consent.

Are we in agreement on this?
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Re: Gnu asks joe a question about adoption
« Reply #244 on: July 27, 2012, 12:19:26 PM »
You could be less confrontational you know. You don't have to be a jackass all the time.

Are you less confrontational and less of a jackass when you call other people on what you perceive to be lies and deceit?
The answer is "no". If you don't want Me to treat you like you treat others... Well, I think you can figure out how that works.

I didn't say anything about how you, personally, were raised, did I?

I assumed that your flawed perspective on how My generation was raised included Myself, since I'm part of My generation.

how young you were

That's funny. Too bad you're not knowledgeable enough to see how funny that is.

Do you think that obvious fact is "talking out of my ass"?

Pretty much. That "obvious fact" isn't so obvious to Me, who was actually raised with the rest of my generation.
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Re: Gnu asks joe a question about adoption
« Reply #245 on: July 27, 2012, 01:49:02 PM »
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Perhaps the younger generation, raised on animation, aren't nearly as affected by the uncanny valley. It's quite possible that animated porn may be more effective for them.

Not sure if that necessarily applies. I mean there's been a lot of animation on the TV for generations and there's a lot of kids TV that has always been, and still is, live action. IIRC OAA is 18? So that sets us apart by 5 years, but I can think of what I was raised on, I can list cartoons I loved (Ed, Eddy & Eddy, Dexter's Lab, Danger Mouse, The Simpsons, South Park...yes, South Park prolly from the age of 8 or 9), but there is also a list of live action stuff to accompany it, that I also loved (Demon Headmaster, The Queen's Nose, some program I forgot the title on it (had a kid obsessed with David Attenborough), Goosebumps, Blue Peter, various kids' game shows, Skippy the Kangaroo, Round the Twist, Bottom (not a kids' show, but I was raised on it), Red Dwarf).

I don't know what kids in Portugal watched when OOA was growing up

Today's generation of kids, to my eyes there's a lot of crap, the only things I'd say have any worth is Spongebob...maybe My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic, if you like something softer (because I think it's well geared for its audience, even if it has had the knock on effect of being loved by half of the internet). There's still plenty of live action shows to go around, but really...nothing that could compete with the Demon Headmaster (I'll probably think it's awfully written and poorly acted now I'm an adult).


But I get why you might make the connection - people who watch cartoons growing up more will not be affected by uncanny valley - I think it's logical, but kinda hard to say the two are related. I mean, I know people who grew up on cartoons and don't have a flattering opinion of those who are turned on by pixels (as they put it), I think he also referred to it as wanking over Micky Mouse. I don't know what his opinion would be if 1) Animated porn was the only legal porn and 2) How he'd feel about animated porn rendered to be photo-realistic. I'm only quoting something he said, it's not as if we had an in depth conversation about porn.  &)

I wonder with photorealism, does uncanny valley still exist? Maybe, somebody like Joe could answer or somebody else who couldn't be turned on by an animation (or cartoon or 3D render). Here's a collection of photo-realistic women:
http://www.pxleyes.com/blog/2011/09/50-ultra-realistic-3d-female-models/
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Re: Gnu asks joe a question about adoption
« Reply #246 on: July 27, 2012, 01:51:26 PM »
Just a small FYI for Seppuku: I recently turned 19.
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Re: Gnu asks joe a question about adoption
« Reply #247 on: July 27, 2012, 02:08:55 PM »
Here's a collection of photo-realistic women:
http://www.pxleyes.com/blog/2011/09/50-ultra-realistic-3d-female-models/

Some of those are very close to life like! I had no idea the technology was that advanced. +1 for the link.
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Re: Gnu asks joe a question about adoption
« Reply #248 on: July 27, 2012, 02:50:27 PM »
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but it's likely that simulated porn does not have the same effect as the real thing.
What do you base that claim on?
1. Market trends. Do just as many people buy animated porn as live action porn? No. Stands to reason that they're not getting the same results from the fake stuff.
2. Personal experience. I am not as satisfied by animated porn as live action porn. Are you?
I haven't seen any animated porn which aims for verisimilitude; most producers of it seem to create either fantastic bodies (huge eyes, tiny waists and extraordinary genitals) or fantastic situations (apparently there is a small group of people who get excited by the idea of women having sex with extra-terrestials).

So it would be interesting to see how realistic CG porn could be. Until we've tried that, it's premature to assert that CG child-porn would be unsatisfactory. 

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So, even if we were to demonstrate that legalizing possession of real child-porn was unnecessary because of the beneficial effects of CGI child-porn, you wouldn't change your position at all.

So this digression is a complete waste of our time.
Current research doesn't support that, that is purely hypothetical conjecture on your part.
You're missing my point. We're wasting our time arguing this issue with you, because even if we won, you'd fall back on your 'thought-crime' justification. And we've already explained why that's a fail.

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Nevertheless, if somehow it turned out to be true, I'd still be against throwing people in jail who haven't harmed anyone just because they might, based solely on their sexual orientation.
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Re: Gnu asks joe a question about adoption
« Reply #249 on: July 27, 2012, 03:01:14 PM »
OOA, I'm not sure what you're reacting to in Joe's post...

I don't know how old Tim is, but I know how old Lucifer is,

This isn't a statement on how you were raised.  You've stated your age on here before.  While he may not know your exact birth-date, your general age is public knowledge.  This is not controversial.

and that raises a good point. Perhaps the younger generation, raised on animation, aren't nearly as affected by the uncanny valley.

This part is openly speculation, premised on the ideas that:
1. You watch mainly animated porn (you've stated this earlier; it's not supposition on Joe's part)
2. Youth today watch more animation vs live-acted material than older generations did.  This is the only part that's supposition, but it's pretty reasonable supposition, and it's borne out by your statement that he referenced in #1.

It's quite possible that animated porn may be more effective for them.

This is a conclusion about a possibility based upon the above.  Given #1 and #2 above, it's reasonable to speculate about that possibility, isn't it?
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Re: Gnu asks joe a question about adoption
« Reply #250 on: July 27, 2012, 03:05:20 PM »
To be honest, it's not even as great as technology can actually push it. For stills you can take it quite far, but isn't necessarily viable for animation (because the render times would be too high). There's some really impressive stuff out there than may require a bit of post-processing (in programs like Photoshop), but it is possible to achieve photorealism without the aid of a photo/imaging program. I can't achieve it personally, because my 3D rendering software is outdatted (and not top of the range) and also because I suck at texturing. I do 3D model as a hobby though.

I used that link, because I think the quality is achieveable with animations. I suspect anybody low budget might not, but Daz Studio is an option for anybody who wants low budget animation and has photorealistic content you can use, assuming you pay a measly $70. Of course, you may end up paying more into Daz3D content to get models you wish to use, but it is an easy solution and still cheap. Imagine a low budget porn film looking like the stuff in this link (don't worry, it's not porn)

It's not perfect, but damn good for people who can't pay for 3D modellers, texturers and riggers. The person might have to pay for an animator or learn to animate for themselves and know how to achieve the best lighting effects and using the best render settings for the effects, but it's a damn sight easier than doing it all from scratch. I'm sure an idiot could learn it.

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Re: Gnu asks joe a question about adoption
« Reply #251 on: July 27, 2012, 03:15:10 PM »
OOA, I'm not sure what you're reacting to in Joe's post...
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The purpose of my post was not to try to change his mind about anything except his usual "you're lying!" or "you know exactly what I meant!" accusations that lack any evidence, as well as his usual overreaction and assumption of conspiracy when someone disagrees with him. In short, it was to try to make him grow up.
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Re: Gnu asks joe a question about adoption
« Reply #252 on: July 27, 2012, 03:18:06 PM »
So you were trolling him.  Just to be clear.
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« Reply #253 on: July 27, 2012, 03:20:44 PM »
So you were trolling him.  Just to be clear.

I wasn't trolling. Just because the purpose was not to change his mind about what we were discussing doesn't mean it wasn't a serious response.
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« Reply #254 on: July 27, 2012, 03:23:22 PM »
You expressed outrage at the claims he was making about your upbringing.  Except that he wasn't making claims about your upbringing, as I just explained (and to which you didn't respond).  I know you usually have a strong faith that you couldn't have made a mistake, but consider it in this case, please.
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Re: Gnu asks joe a question about adoption
« Reply #255 on: July 27, 2012, 03:26:23 PM »
You expressed outrage at the claims he was making about your upbringing.  Except that he wasn't making claims about your upbringing, as I just explained (and to which you didn't respond).  I know you usually have a strong faith that you couldn't have made a mistake, but consider it in this case, please.

I am well aware of nearly every mistake I've ever made, and I am perfectly capable of recognizing them. However, his generalization of My generation included Myself, since I'm part of My generation. I was also raised during My generation, so I know he's wrong about what he said.
Besides, I had already guessed that he would've tried to use anything to exclude people's experiences that would prove him wrong, as he always does. If you want to point the finger at someone who can't admit when he's wrong, I recommend joebbowers.
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Re: Gnu asks joe a question about adoption
« Reply #256 on: July 27, 2012, 03:36:01 PM »
I am well aware of nearly every mistake I've ever made, and I am perfectly capable of recognizing them.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect

However, his generalization of My generation included Myself, since I'm part of My generation. I was also raised during My generation, so I know he's wrong about what he said.
About what, specifically?  I isolated everything he'd said.  Pluck it out explicitly.  What was he wrong about?

Besides, I had already guessed that he would've tried to use anything to exclude people's experiences that would prove him wrong, as he always does. If you want to point the finger at someone who can't admit when he's wrong, I recommend joebbowers.
Oh he's got his own problems, to be sure.  But in this case, you're being completely unreasonable.

Not that you're open to that possibility.  You've got the faith I mentioned, and which you expressed directly in your first paragraph above.
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« Reply #257 on: July 27, 2012, 03:38:50 PM »
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect

I would consider that, if not for the enormous amount of mistakes I've made and several other things you don't know about.

About what, specifically?  I isolated everything he'd said.  Pluck it out explicitly.  What was he wrong about?

His supposition and, as a corollary, the conclusion.

You've got the faith I mentioned, and which you expressed directly in your first paragraph above.

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Re: Gnu asks joe a question about adoption
« Reply #258 on: July 27, 2012, 03:42:35 PM »
I would consider that, if not for the enormous amount of mistakes I've made and several other things you don't know about.

Right.  Your intellectual humility is so great that you have perfect knowledge of all your mistakes.   &)

His supposition and, as a corollary, the conclusion.

That your generation's media include a higher proportion of CGI than that of past generations?  Hmm.  My CGI viewership in my teens was restricted to Reboot and Transformers: Beasties.  Yours was similarly limited, across the board?

You and my ignore list have a date.

Faith doesn't like self-examination.  And responds with smites rather than honest responses.  I am not trolling.  I am trying to get you to take responsibility for the tantrum you threw at Joe.  If he's wrong, then tell him what's wrong and why.  Don't troll him.
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Re: Gnu asks joe a question about adoption
« Reply #259 on: July 27, 2012, 04:18:58 PM »
Here's a collection of photo-realistic women:
http://www.pxleyes.com/blog/2011/09/50-ultra-realistic-3d-female-models/

Some of those are very close to life like! I had no idea the technology was that advanced. +1 for the link.

I made myself look at the CGI women. Not too bad.

If that is the future of porn and no real kids are harmed or even depicted, more power to them that wants this. After all, fantasy is what it's all about anyway, which is why real people have to have extensive plastic surgery and alteration to become stars in that industry.

If someone wants to look at Eurasian women who seem to be 16, with size 4 hips and size 14 breasts, tattoos, facial piercings, one blue eye, one brown eye, blonde crewcut, one arm and bound feet, they can just order them up. No harm no foul.

The only one that weirded me out was the woman falling into the pool cause she looked anorexic. The rest looked perfectly sexy and acceptable to my untrained eye.

Some even looked nearly young enough for Joe.  &)
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Kids aren't paying attention most of the time in science classes so it seems silly to get worked up over ID being taught in schools.

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Re: Gnu asks joe a question about adoption
« Reply #260 on: July 27, 2012, 05:06:31 PM »
OOA has clarified over PM that he has enough evidence, based on his past record of catching his mistakes, to reasonably dismiss the idea that he is making a mistake and not realizing it in any given situation.  Dunning-Kruger at its finest.
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