, or that there might be many universes springing into existence
might be, but what made them spring into existence, if so ?
We have no way of knowing. If that is the case, then by far the most logical stance is to claim that we don't know yet and wait for the evidence to arrive; don't you think? No, you probably don't. You'd rather take the word of ignorant desert people who lived 2000 years ago. Yeah, that's smart.
No, the most logical stance really is to wait and see. In the mean time, however, what we can reasonably guess is that the creation of our universe came about through natural causes because everything we see from immediately after the Big Bang to today is explainable without the interference of any outside, supernatural forces. We have a nearly unbroken chain of natural events leading back 14 billion years... why would anyone think the natural chain of events breaks at the creation of the universe?
, nevertheless, you find it perfectly logical that an invisible being, shaped like a man
how could it be shaped as a man, if invisible ? you self contradict yourself. Thats btw. not what theists believe. God in our view is a spiritual being.
Really? Genesis 1:27... So God created man in his own image
, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.
What bible do you read?
BTW, when you say God is a 'spiritual being', what exactly does that mean?
has lived for ever and ever without ever having eaten breakfast or having a beginning and can magic people, plants and animals (as well as bacteria and viruses, etc.) into existence?
a creator God can do all these things. You are asked at this thread to present a better explanation for our existence. So far, you have not.
Any single explanation, no matter how weird, strange, or completely off the wall it is, as long as it is a natural explanation, is a far, FAR better explanation than god. Why? Because everything we see in nature; everything we interact with, come in contact with, or observe in any way, functions naturally without the help of any outside, unseen forces. You know this is the case. You see it every day. You live it every moment. We don't say our computers and phones work by magic. We know that when we eat food, it doesn't magically turn to waste materials. When we press the gas pedal on our car, there is no supernatural force pushing us along like a spiritual Fred Flintstone. The moment you turn to magic (the supernatural) as an explanatory factor, you've committed intellectual suicide.
Let me give you an example of what I mean... You're walking in a snowy wood and a snowball hits you in the back of the head. You turn around and see your friend laughing at you. Your brain works quickly and decides on the most probable scenario... this is an easy one... your friend hit you with a snowball. Now, alternately, a supernatural being COULD have magically appeared behind you, made a snowball, and tossed it at your head, then disappeared into nothingness, but in terms of explanations, that's fucking stupid, isn't it? It's the same with everything else too. From your car not starting, to winning the lottery, to clogging up a toilet... your brain goes through logical processes to figure out what happened in those events. A supernatural explanation is the last thing your brain goes to, not the first. Please understand, a supernatural being popping up and creating the entire universe through magic is just as stupid as a supernatural being magically tossing a snowball at you.
EVERYTHING works like that. Just think it through. When you're sitting at a stoplight, ask yourself why the other people are moving and you're not. Is it because their light is green and yours isn't or is it because God stops your vehicle with supernatural forces? When your ironing your shirt, why are the wrinkles coming out? Is it because the steam penetrates the fabric in such a way as to eliminate the wrinkles, or is it that God is inside the iron, magically smoothing your clothes for you.
When was the last time that something happened to you that the BEST POSSIBLE explanation was supernatural? My guess is never. Oh sure, you may try to point to some sort of ridiculous spiritual moment or some such bullshit, but those happen to people of all religions, people who meditate, and also with chemical changes in the brain. So no, the best possible explanation for those events is still natural.
As an agnostic atheist, I leave open the possibility of some sort of deity that started everything rolling and does not interfere in any way with the workings of the universe. I can't deny that possibility. What I can deny, however, is the Christian God. That claim is completely unreasonable. It's just wrong.