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RE: Science or the Bible
« on: July 02, 2012, 02:11:12 AM »
The only logical argument that came from an atheist went like this:

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If God exists , then He is infinite.
God is not infinite.
Therefore, God does not exist.

Look how simple that is! Coming from an opponent, I still get a stiffy looking at it. Why can't you people do this?

Anyway, this is based on the current theory that this universe is finite, and that "therefore" everything in it is finite.

Entropy is a fact of existence in this cosmos.

But Steven Hawking messed that all up, and shot himself in the foot not too long ago when he proposed "multi-verse theory", and then said a Creator was unnecessary.

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IF multi-verse theory is false (P), THEN the Lord's Kingdom exists FINITELY in this cosmos. (Q)

My Kingdom is NOT of this (Gr) COSMOS, and of his kingdom there shall be NO END. (~Q) John 18:36 Luke 1:33

Therefore, multi-verse theory is NOT false. (suckers) (~P)

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Re: RE: Science or the Bible
« Reply #1 on: July 02, 2012, 02:17:58 AM »
The argument you quoted fails without support for the assertion that "God is not infinite".  On its own, it is useless.  That's why you don't see it so often.

You might want to try using logic sometime.
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Re: RE: Science or the Bible
« Reply #2 on: July 02, 2012, 01:57:35 PM »


But Steven Hawking messed that all up, and shot himself in the foot

Which is really hard to do when you're paralysed from the neck down.
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Re: RE: Science or the Bible
« Reply #3 on: July 02, 2012, 02:34:58 PM »
is (P) angry, hot and steaming?

Some peas are yellow
Pisum sativum
God is not infinite
it is but a burst your bubble in that leaky stream of logic

is this where we (Q) to (P)?

dont be mistaking my piss taking
as an in-salt solution
I said you're'n original, not an urinal
I slur ;) when I have had too much to drink
I also need to relieve myself somewhat moron frequency
(another slur  ....should be more frequently)

I also get lachrymose
I miss my kewpie doll ...do you hear it?
(they're often mistaken for a troll)
"it's not just the piss talking, I really really love you..."

So if, as it seems, one must (P)


is  the (Q) too long tailed to be bothered waiting for the answer?
....the death of curiosity
....curiosity, when you look at it [...the (Q) that is] killed the cat by decapitation  ....do you see it?
Or it could be a bubble universe tethered by a string theory

mmmmm .....theory

I suppose in my desperation
I could always just tie a knot in it.








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Re: RE: Science or the Bible
« Reply #4 on: July 02, 2012, 05:12:48 PM »
is (P) angry, hot and steaming?

Some peas are yellow
Pisum sativum
God is not infinite
it is but a burst your bubble in that leaky stream of logic

is this where we (Q) to (P)?

dont be mistaking my piss taking
as an in-salt solution
I said you're'n original, not an urinal
I slur ;) when I have had too much to drink
I also need to relieve myself somewhat moron frequency
(another slur  ....should be more frequently)

I also get lachrymose
I miss my kewpie doll ...do you hear it?
(they're often mistaken for a troll)
"it's not just the piss talking, I really really love you..."

So if, as it seems, one must (P)


is  the (Q) too long tailed to be bothered waiting for the answer?
....the death of curiosity
....curiosity, when you look at it [...the (Q) that is] killed the cat by decapitation  ....do you see it?
Or it could be a bubble universe tethered by a string theory

mmmmm .....theory

I suppose in my desperation
I could always just tie a knot in it.
I couldn't of said it better. :o
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Re: RE: Science or the Bible
« Reply #5 on: July 03, 2012, 01:37:37 AM »
The argument you quoted fails without support for the assertion that "God is not infinite".  On its own, it is useless.  That's why you don't see it so often.

You might want to try using logic sometime.

Then you don't understand that the universe is defined as everything that is in it.

However, I have considered whether or not the atheist was committing some sort of Fallacy of Division or Composition.

Logic is a method. And your disagreement does not necessitate a lack of logic,

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Re: RE: Science or the Bible
« Reply #6 on: July 03, 2012, 01:39:46 AM »


But Steven Hawking messed that all up, and shot himself in the foot

Which is really hard to do when you're paralysed from the neck down.

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Re: RE: Science or the Bible
« Reply #7 on: July 03, 2012, 01:42:30 AM »
Hey, flying bone head...

u·ni·verse
? ?[yoo-nuh-vurs]
noun
1.
the totality of known or supposed objects and phenomena throughout space; the cosmos; macrocosm.

Your blasphemy of the term "logic" is compounded by your UTTER STUPIDITY.

What an ape, what a dumb ape!

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Re: RE: Science or the Bible
« Reply #8 on: July 03, 2012, 01:45:38 AM »
is (P) angry, hot and steaming?

Some peas are yellow
Pisum sativum
God is not infinite
it is but a burst your bubble in that leaky stream of logic

is this where we (Q) to (P)?

dont be mistaking my piss taking
as an in-salt solution
I said you're'n original, not an urinal
I slur ;) when I have had too much to drink
I also need to relieve myself somewhat moron frequency
(another slur  ....should be more frequently)

I also get lachrymose
I miss my kewpie doll ...do you hear it?
(they're often mistaken for a troll)
"it's not just the piss talking, I really really love you..."

So if, as it seems, one must (P)


is  the (Q) too long tailed to be bothered waiting for the answer?
....the death of curiosity
....curiosity, when you look at it [...the (Q) that is] killed the cat by decapitation  ....do you see it?
Or it could be a bubble universe tethered by a string theory

mmmmm .....theory

I suppose in my desperation
I could always just tie a knot in it.

I'm not a "lyrics" person". I'll let a professional do it for me.

But I ain't going out like no punk bitch
Get used to one style and you know I might switch
It up up and around, then buck buck you down
Put out your head then you wake up in the Dawn of the Dead
I'm coming to get ya, coming to get ya
Spitting out lyrics homie I'll wet ya
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Re: RE: Science or the Bible
« Reply #9 on: July 03, 2012, 01:46:38 AM »
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I couldn't of said it better. :o

You underestimate yourself.

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Re: RE: Science or the Bible
« Reply #10 on: July 03, 2012, 01:54:50 AM »
The argument you quoted fails without support for the assertion that "God is not infinite".  On its own, it is useless.  That's why you don't see it so often.

You might want to try using logic sometime.

Then you don't understand that the universe is defined as everything that is in it.

However, I have considered whether or not the atheist was committing some sort of Fallacy of Division or Composition.

Logic is a method. And your disagreement does not necessitate a lack of logic,

Have you considered responding to the actual words in my post?  It's difficult for me to carry on a conversation when what you've written in response does not logically follow as a rebuttal.

EDIT:  Also, did you know that it is possible to put more than one quote and response within the same post?  Here, I'll show you how.  I'm going to quote Frank, in this very post:



Which is really hard to do when you're paralysed from the neck down.

Cute, Frank!



See how easy that was?  That way, you don't have to needlessly and inefficiently multiply posts.
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Re: RE: Science or the Bible
« Reply #11 on: July 03, 2012, 01:58:07 AM »
The argument you quoted fails without support for the assertion that "God is not infinite".  On its own, it is useless.  That's why you don't see it so often.

You might want to try using logic sometime.

Then you don't understand that the universe is defined as everything that is in it.

However, I have considered whether or not the atheist was committing some sort of Fallacy of Division or Composition.

Logic is a method. And your disagreement does not necessitate a lack of logic,

Have you considered responding to the actual words in my post?  It's difficult for me to carry on a conversation when what you've written in response does not logically follow as a rebuttal.

If the universe is defined as everything that is in it, and if God is in this universe, then he is not inifinite.

This is not difficult to follow.

Precisely define what you expect me to explain...

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Re: RE: Science or the Bible
« Reply #12 on: July 03, 2012, 01:59:50 AM »
We're here now at the same time.

Now tell me what it is.,..

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Re: RE: Science or the Bible
« Reply #13 on: July 03, 2012, 02:03:51 AM »
If the universe is defined as everything that is in it, and if God is in this universe, then he is not inifinite.

This is not difficult to follow.

Precisely define what you expect me to explain...

The bolded text.  It is nonsensical.  You have defined "X" as "everything that is within X".  If I also define "Y" as "everything that is within Y", do we have two separate entities?  Seems so.  And nothing significant has been stated about either of them.

Did you mean to define "universe" as "everything that exists" rather than "everything that is in it"?
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Re: RE: Science or the Bible
« Reply #14 on: July 03, 2012, 02:09:01 AM »
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Also, did you know that it is possible to put more than one quote and response within the same post?

Did your mom teach you how to do that?

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Here, I'll show you how.  I'm going to quote Frank, in this very post:

No! Get right out of town!

Which is really hard to do when you're paralysed from the neck down.

Wow! That really does look like Frank's quote. I wish that I knew how.

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See how easy that was?  That way, you don't have to needlessly and inefficiently multiply posts.

Well, I've NEVER done that before!  &)

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Re: RE: Science or the Bible
« Reply #15 on: July 03, 2012, 02:13:36 AM »
Your decision to inefficiently and needlessly multiply posts was done either by intent to do so, or by ignorance of how.  I gave your intentions credit; apparently that was an error.  Instead you are deliberately making extra posts for no reason.

I mean, the last two post before this one said basically the same thing.  To the same person.  You could have just edited the bit of extra text about us being online at the same time into the previous post.  But no, you decided to figuratively vomit onto the forum and make a new one.

After having made five consecutive posts to this thread immediately beforehand.  Two of which were to the same person.

You really don't see a problem with this, however minor?
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Re: RE: Science or the Bible
« Reply #16 on: July 03, 2012, 02:18:07 AM »
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The bolded text.  It is nonsensical.  You have defined "X" as "everything that is within X,  If I also define "Y" as "everything that is within Y", do we have two separate entities?  Seems so.  And nothing significant has been stated about either of them.

I see. I just worded it badly when I gave the definition of "universe".

It was not my intention to define the universe as X, much less to then proceed to say that X is everything in X.


noun
1.
the totality of known or supposed objects and phenomena throughout space; the cosmos; macrocosm.]u·ni·verse
? ?[yoo-nuh-vurs]
noun
1.
the totality of known or supposed objects and phenomena throughout space; the cosmos; macrocosm.


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The universe is commonly defined as the totality of everything that exists,[1]

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Re: RE: Science or the Bible
« Reply #17 on: July 03, 2012, 02:21:32 AM »
Your decision to inefficiently and needlessly multiply posts was done either by intent to do so, or by ignorance of how.

Or I was lazy.

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I gave your intentions credit; apparently that was an error.  Instead you are deliberately making extra posts for no reason.

Like the posts I'm responding to. What "reason" do you see in them?

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I mean, the last two post before this one said basically the same thing.  To the same person.  You could have just edited the bit of extra text about us being online at the same time into the previous post.  But no, you decided to figuratively vomit onto the forum and make a new one.

The bolded text: THAT IS AN INCOMPLETE SENTENCE.

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After having made five consecutive posts to this thread immediately beforehand.  Two of which were to the same person.

You really don't see a problem with this, however minor?

You've got your minor problems, I've got mine.
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Re: RE: Science or the Bible
« Reply #18 on: July 03, 2012, 02:23:03 AM »

Spitting out lyrics homie I'll wet ya

....just because you practice urine-neti doesn't mean you have to share the (P)




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Re: RE: Science or the Bible
« Reply #19 on: July 03, 2012, 02:29:52 AM »


See, they're coming already.

I know that it is Fallacy to say "two wrongs make a right"

Did you ask for his help? I don't think so.

Was his post helpful? No.

If you have something intelligent to say, then the blabbering, beligerant, boners have no right to distract from it,

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Re: RE: Science or the Bible
« Reply #20 on: July 03, 2012, 02:34:38 AM »
the totality of known or supposed objects and phenomena throughout space; the cosmos; macrocosm.

That's one definition.  It's basically referring to our spacetime.

The universe is commonly defined as the totality of everything that exists

And that's an entirely different one.  Did you mean to conflate them?



Or I was lazy.

...which is still your responsibility and decision - deliberate.

Like the posts I'm responding to. What "reason" do you see in them?

I don't know.  I havn't read most of them.  Does it matter to the topic at hand?

The bolded text: THAT IS AN INCOMPLETE SENTENCE.

Yes, it is.  I meant it to be read as though someone was speaking.  I'll refrain from taxing you in that manner in the future.

You've got your minor problems, I've got mine.

This is a really easily fixed one.
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Re: RE: Science or the Bible
« Reply #21 on: July 03, 2012, 06:58:08 AM »
euroclydon

your behavior has been abominable and your posts in the forum lately have been rather unhinged.  I have some serious questions for you.

1. Have you been diagnosed with a mental disorder?
2. Have you been prescribed medication for a mental disorder?
3. If yes to either, are you maintaining your treatment?
 
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Re: RE: Science or the Bible
« Reply #22 on: July 03, 2012, 08:44:23 AM »

See, they're coming already.

I know that it is Fallacy to say "two wrongs make a right"

Did you ask for his help? I don't think so.

Was his post helpful? No.

If you have something intelligent to say, then the blabbering, beligerant, boners have no right to distract from it,


euroclydon 

I sincerely wish you the best

and now I'll just leave the two of you to get on with your monologue
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