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« on: July 19, 2012, 04:39:53 PM »
Hi,

I have a full work day and a moderately busy schedule, but i decided
to sample 2 of your reasons for saying that God is imaginary.
Specifically #1 and #11.

The conclusion I've drawn from those "proofs" is that - and again I've
only looked at 2 "proofs" - you are about 68% logical, and once you
hit the point that seems fits with the way you think, you quit
looking. Both #1 and #11 feed off of the weak. If you want to get into
a discussion on specifics I would be glad to, but aside for the fact
that #1 attacks only Christianity, both #s 1&11 are awful
philosophical and logical responses. It almost looks like you've taken
a basic atheist class, heard some points that sound nice, and were
convinced based on that without arguing with the right people.

I will grant you that many religious people have pathetic arguments
thinking that they are right, but they don't go around parading how
"logical" and "philosophical" their answers are the way atheists do. I
am yet to see a legitimately sound atheistic argument. I will grant
you that I have personally not found EMPIRICAL evidence for God and I
may never find it. But i do BELIEVE it exists, and I do have reasons
for that. I can understand agnosticism, but not atheism.

I would love to discuss further, but based on those 2 "proofs" you
show childish arrogance, and philosophical ignorance.

Oh and you are very repetitive. I don't know whether that's
intentional, in order to further promote your arrogance, or your
writing style is just stunted at the eighth grade level, but, and this
is just an opinion, that style is very annoying.

If you legitimately look for logical reasoning the way you claim, and
you do respond to this, then I hope and pray, yes pray, that you
listen with an open mind the way that no atheist I have ever found
does. And I have dealt with many. I have found that atheist are just
as ideologically stubborn as they claim religious people to be.

Looking forward to your response, and in no way is this email an
attack on you (the person that crafted #s1&11 as a person) as a
person. It is straight up an attack on the way you have been just as
brainwashed by "logic" as you claim religious people are by religion.

All the best,

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Re: Comments [#2671]
« Reply #1 on: July 19, 2012, 05:25:25 PM »
...I am yet to see a legitimately sound atheistic argument. I will grant
you that I have personally not found EMPIRICAL evidence for God and I
may never find it. But i do BELIEVE it exists, and I do have reasons
for that. I can understand agnosticism, but not atheism...

Hi back at you!

Unfortunately, the person who created the website doesn't visit the forums anymore, but I'd like to comment on this part of your statement. Atheism is simply the lack of a god belief. I do not believe in god. That's it. Any arguments, one way or the other, come after the fact for many of us. The belief is simply not there. And we can find no evidence that's plausible enough to change our belief. Agnosticism, by the way, is about knowledge. It is the claim that no one can know whether god exists. Many of us on this forum are actually agnostic atheists. That is to say, we do not have a god belief, but we acknowledge that we cannot know for certain.

If you'd like to discuss further, please feel free to join the forum, where you'll find lots of vigorous discussion.
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Re: Comments [#2671]
« Reply #2 on: July 21, 2012, 11:57:43 AM »

Looking forward to your response,


Response to what? You didn't actually make any points.
"Atheism is not a mission to convert the world. It only seems that way because when other religions fall away, atheism is what is left behind".

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Re: Comments [#2671]
« Reply #3 on: July 22, 2012, 03:36:11 PM »
you are about 68% logical

I'd like you to show how you came up with that number.

An Omnipowerful God needed to sacrifice himself to himself (but only for a long weekend) in order to avert his own wrath against his own creations who he made in a manner knowing that they weren't going to live up to his standards.

And you should feel guilty for this. Give me money.

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Re: Comments [#2671]
« Reply #4 on: July 22, 2012, 03:56:22 PM »
Hi,


What I see here is you making numbers out of thin air, and no real points except to:

Appeal to ignorance, Straw man(and vague at that), a LOT of argmentum ad hominems, and no true Scottsman arguments:

Your response is quite seriously lacking in points. If you don't believe me lets just start of with the key words and phrase for argument ad hom, shall we?

you quit looking
feed off of the weak
awful
looks like you've taken a basic atheist class,
you show childish arrogance, and philosophical ignorance.
Oh and you are very repetitive.
 in order to further promote your arrogance
your writing style is just stunted at the eighth grade level
very annoying
ideologically stubborn
you have been just as brainwashed by "logic"

Appeal to ignorance:

I am yet to see a legitimately sound atheistic argument. I will grant
you that I have personally not found EMPIRICAL evidence for God and I
may never find it. But i do BELIEVE it exists,

No true Scottsman:
were convinced based on that without arguing with the right people.
I will grant you that many religious people have pathetic arguments
thinking that they are right


No wonder you want to attack logic...your post seems quit incapable of not violating it.


An Omnipowerful God needed to sacrifice himself to himself (but only for a long weekend) in order to avert his own wrath against his own creations who he made in a manner knowing that they weren't going to live up to his standards.

And you should feel guilty for this. Give me money.

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Re: Comments [#2671]
« Reply #5 on: July 22, 2012, 05:22:18 PM »
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But i do BELIEVE it exists, and I do have reasons for that. I can understand agnosticism, but not atheism.

Atheism is not hard to understand.  You are a Christian, believing in the Christian god, God.  You do not believe in Zeus.  Therefore you are atheistic (i.e. you do not believe in Zeus) towards this god.  You are atheistic towards almost every god except that one.  I am atheistic to all gods.

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