District Court: School Was Right to Expel Keeton

[pianodwarf]

Jennifer Keeton was in school to become a counselor.  When she openly said that if anyone who was gay came to her for counseling, she would tell them they had an illness that needed to be cured.  The University expelled her, she sued, and the court told her that if she was going to go into a particular profession, she would be expected to do her job, and the expulsion was upheld.

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2012/06/27/judge-tells-christian-counseling-student-that-her-school-was-right-to-punish-her-for-wanting-to-convert-gay-clients/

I hope that other religionists take notice, particularly those in the various medical professions.

[Timtheskeptic]

yep and she needed to learn that homosexuality is not an illness and that has been determined years ago. She needs to get with the program and stick to the facts not some homophobic BS!

[Nick]

100% yes they were right.  It would be like if I went to a doctor for a broken leg and he told me to walk it off.

[Backspace]

Reminds me of the religious fundamentalists who become pharmacists, then refuse to dispense drugs they personally find morally objectionable (even if they stock said drugs and the insurance company pays for it).

[pianodwarf]

Reminds me of the religious fundamentalists who become pharmacists, then refuse to dispense drugs they personally find morally objectionable (even if they stock said drugs and the insurance company pays for it).

Right, Hemant referenced that in his article as well.

It seems like pretty simple math to me: if your religious beliefs forbid you from performing the responsibilities that a particular line of work entails, then you simply can't and shouldn't go into that line of work.  It's really no different from avoiding a line of work for any other reason, for that matter.

In fact, now that I think about it, an employer filling a position with that type of individual could end up in some pretty serious trouble.  If I got hit by a car and ended up with an ER doctor who refused to treat any of my injuries because he was a Christian Scientist, I can guaran-darn-tee you that I would sue the balls off of the hospital, assuming I lived to be able to do so, that is.

[MadBunny]

Seems pretty cut and dry to me. 
She didn't want to do her job for religious reasons, and refused remediation, so she was fired.

I know this is an aside, but am I the only one that thinks she has the 'plastic blonde' look so popular with Fox news corp?

[Nick]

Seems pretty cut and dry to me. 
She didn't want to do her job for religious reasons, and refused remediation, so she was fired.

I know this is an aside, but am I the only one that thinks she has the 'plastic blonde' look so popular with Fox news corp?

The Barbie look.

[12 Monkeys]

Seems pretty cut and dry to me. 
She didn't want to do her job for religious reasons, and refused remediation, so she was fired.

I know this is an aside, but am I the only one that thinks she has the 'plastic blonde' look so popular with Fox news corp?

She is the one that is in need of a cure.......but how do you cure stupid?

[Poseidon]

This chick must surely know that she is an evil sinner, just as guilty as the gay person that she denounced. She has dark roots. Does she bleach her hair? Defiling ones body is a mortal sin I am told. She is using a lot of eye makeup and rouge and she appears to be wearing a black bra. She is behaving as a temptress. WWJD?

[Mr. Blackwell]

WWJD?

Wash her feet?

[joebbowers]

Just my two cents, I think homosexuality is an illness. It is a genetic, incurable illness. I would characterize it as an illness as opposed to simply a genetic trait like eye color because unlike eye color homosexuality has a significant detrimental affect on the affected subject resulting in disruption of the natural mating instinct.

[screwtape]

Just my two cents, I think homosexuality is an illness. It is a genetic, incurable illness. I would characterize it as an illness as opposed to simply a genetic trait like eye color because unlike eye color homosexuality has a significant detrimental affect on the affected subject resulting in disruption of the natural mating instinct.

Joe,

I have no problem with you posting your opinion on this matter and I am not trying to censor you.  However, this is off topic for this thread.  From past experience, your position will generate a bruhaha (which is fine) that could go on for pages and pages[1].  I'd rather not derail this thread.  If you would like to continue discussing the issue, it can be split off.  Just let me know if that is what you would like to do. 

regards

1.	144 pages..http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/forum/index.php?topic=7373.0

[joebbowers]

Nah, don't worry about it.

[jaimehlers]

I don't think homosexuality can be considered an illness, and certainly not a mental one.  I suppose it could be described as a genetic abnormality (in the sense that it is not common enough to be considered normal), but to describe something as an illness suggests that it's harmful, and to be blunt, homosexuality isn't harmful.  And in this day and age, concerns about how it interferes with the mating ritual are moot; with population pressures the way they are and the existence of artificial insemination, it's hardly an issue in that regard.  Plus, I can't imagine it being especially long before they can do genetic manipulation in order to combine two sperm and generate a zygote from them.

[joebbowers]

I already agreed not to discuss it in this thread. I'll start an "Is Homosexuality an Illness" topic though since there may be some interest.

Edit: I looked up the medical definition of "illness", and I don't think it fits as I don't think homosexuality is "unhealthy". However I found another word that is more accurate, "disorder". Homosexuality disturbs regular or normal functions, so I think that fits better.