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Re: Proof Jesus Contradicted Himself
« Reply #464 on: July 12, 2013, 12:34:27 PM »
The basic methodology that covers all research into past events.

This is a question born of ignorance, and mischief.
There isn't a "basic methodology" for this.
There are several very clever very complicated methodologies.
Usually more than one methodology is used to corroborate the findings of another methodology.
Peer review soon picks holes in published findings that don't stack up - current science is always highly competitive.
Some of the methods in evolutionary biology and palaeontology include:
1.) Morphological progressions in fossils.
2.) Radiometric dating.
3.) Geological strata.
4.) Biostratigraphy
5.) Species dispersion.
6.) Tectonics.
7.) Genetic clocks.
8.) Molecular phylogenetics  (genetic sequence comparisons).
9.) Cladistics.


Historians and Archaeologists have even more clever methodologies to work with.

The way to answer your question, SkyWriting, is for you to read the methods in some research papers and show some respect for the amazing sleuth work that goes into these matters.  Research into the past is not just a random art of bum-plucking a date that sounds right - its highly rigorous and calibrated against vast tracts of prior knowledge that has passed peer review.
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Re: Proof Jesus Contradicted Himself
« Reply #465 on: July 12, 2013, 01:32:29 PM »
Every scientific discipline has a research methods course. Usually includes some general stuff, like statistics, along with the specific methods that discipline, say physical anthropology, uses. These courses are at the graduate level, not intro. I have taken research methods in two different fields. Not exciting, but necessary to do research at a PhD level.
Extraordinary claims of the bible don't even have ordinary evidence.

Kids aren't paying attention most of the time in science classes so it seems silly to get worked up over ID being taught in schools.

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Re: Proof Jesus Contradicted Himself
« Reply #466 on: July 12, 2013, 02:43:37 PM »
The basic methodology that covers all research into past events.

This is a question born of ignorance, and mischief.
There isn't a "basic methodology" for this.
There are several very clever very complicated methodologies.
Usually more than one methodology is used to corroborate the findings of another methodology.
Peer review soon picks holes in published findings that don't stack up - current science is always highly competitive.
Some of the methods in evolutionary biology and palaeontology include:
1.) Morphological progressions in fossils.
2.) Radiometric dating.
3.) Geological strata.
4.) Biostratigraphy
5.) Species dispersion.
6.) Tectonics.
7.) Genetic clocks.
8.) Molecular phylogenetics  (genetic sequence comparisons).
9.) Cladistics.


Historians and Archaeologists have even more clever methodologies to work with.

The way to answer your question, SkyWriting, is for you to read the methods in some research papers and show some respect for the amazing sleuth work that goes into these matters.  Research into the past is not just a random art of bum-plucking a date that sounds right - its highly rigorous and calibrated against vast tracts of prior knowledge that has passed peer review.

Once the events are no longer duplicatable, they fall outside the directives of the scientific method. 

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Re: Proof Jesus Contradicted Himself
« Reply #467 on: July 13, 2013, 06:29:15 PM »
Okay, SW, we have established that, as far as you (and you alone) are concerned, most of the scientific disciplines that have built the modern world are not really science. Because of some narrow definition of science that you learned in 4th grade and have gotten attached to for some unfathomable reason. Nothing we say or link to seems to penetrate that belief.

Science has to be done in "labs" by people with white coats and funny goggles, exactly "duplicating reality" like Mr. Wizard. See, scientists should be able to recreate the big bang and the era of the dinosaurs in their labs. Or else it doesn't count. We have encountered other religious folks who have argued the same thing. And science that threatens religion can't really be science. We get that.

Yet, geologists go right on locating petroleum for the oil companies, physical anthropologists go right on using their expertise to identify long dead human remains for police departments, and so on. Good thing real scientists don't pay attention to folks like you who would rather they use magic. Because magic, you see, actually works.  &)
Extraordinary claims of the bible don't even have ordinary evidence.

Kids aren't paying attention most of the time in science classes so it seems silly to get worked up over ID being taught in schools.

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Re: Proof Jesus Contradicted Himself
« Reply #468 on: July 13, 2013, 07:25:28 PM »
Once the events are no longer duplicatable, they fall outside the directives of the scientific method.

Unless they have already been duplicated in nature, and thus can be studied in another setting.  This is how one can study frogs without replicating a frog from scratch.
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Re: Proof Jesus Contradicted Himself
« Reply #469 on: July 13, 2013, 11:23:59 PM »
Once the events are no longer duplicatable, they fall outside the directives of the scientific method.

Once you get the wrong idea in your brain it scuttles around like a fugitive cockroach avoiding the mighty stamping footprints of reason.
And in your case the cockroach certainly has a lot of junk to hide behind :laugh:

You, or any anti-science theist, are free to go out and replicate the painstaking discoveries that have given us Biostratigraphy. The correlations you would find would be completely replicable:


This science is used and replicated almost daily in oil and minerals exploration:
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The oil industry relies heavily on microfossils such as forams to find potential oil deposits.[
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foraminifera

Is your cockroach getting any of this?

You are free to go out and replicate DNA extractions and sequencing methods. Replicate the statistical analysis and challenge any scientist who has published findings in the field of Molecular phylogenetics.

You are free to go out and dig up fossils that might demonstrate any of the above is wrong.  Good luck with that BTW &)

But we know you won't lift a finger to find the truth. You are both too lazy to replicate any of the science, and too afraid your belief systems will be shattered.
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Re: Proof Jesus Contradicted Himself
« Reply #470 on: July 14, 2013, 05:59:09 AM »
Once the events are no longer duplicatable, they fall outside the directives of the scientific method.

Straining to assume you're not a poe, I'll ask -

Is it inaccurate to state that the sun appeared over the horizon yesterday, despite the fact that this situation isn't specifically testable?
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Re: Proof Jesus Contradicted Himself
« Reply #471 on: July 14, 2013, 08:09:07 AM »
Once the events are no longer duplicatable, they fall outside the directives of the scientific method.

Is it inaccurate to state that the sun appeared over the horizon yesterday, despite the fact that this situation isn't specifically testable?

The scientific method does not apply.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunrise_problem

 I do know that yesterdays weather records are often inaccurate and predictions of more than 6 hours out are often wrong.
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Re: Proof Jesus Contradicted Himself
« Reply #472 on: July 14, 2013, 08:47:07 AM »
Once the events are no longer duplicatable, they fall outside the directives of the scientific method.

Unless they have already been duplicated in nature, and thus can be studied in another setting.  This is how one can study frogs without replicating a frog from scratch.

Indeed, in the spectrum of science, based on accuracy and rigor, biology is placed right next to Sigmund Freud.

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Re: Proof Jesus Contradicted Himself
« Reply #473 on: July 14, 2013, 08:50:40 AM »
Okay, SW, we have established that, as far as you (and you alone) are concerned, most of the scientific disciplines that have built the modern world are not really science. Because of some narrow definition of science that you learned in 4th grade and have gotten attached to for some unfathomable reason. Nothing we say or link to seems to penetrate that belief.

No person has linked to a scientific methodology that mentions examinations
of the past.  I didn't say it didn't exist.  Only that I've not yet found one.

http://physics.ucr.edu/~wudka/Physics7/Notes_www/node6.html#SECTION02121000000000000000
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Re: Proof Jesus Contradicted Himself
« Reply #474 on: July 14, 2013, 08:54:41 AM »
Every scientific discipline has a research methods course. Usually includes some general stuff, like statistics, along with the specific methods that discipline, say physical anthropology, uses. These courses are at the graduate level, not intro. I have taken research methods in two different fields. Not exciting, but necessary to do research at a PhD level.

I don't have any argument.  I would think you'd remember enough
to be able to find an example we can all read and show my stupidity
about not being able to use the scientific method on past events.
http://chemistry.about.com/od/lecturenotesl3/a/sciencemethod.htm
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Re: Proof Jesus Contradicted Himself
« Reply #475 on: July 14, 2013, 08:56:57 AM »
There isn't a "basic methodology" for this.
There are several very clever very complicated methodologies.

Maybe. 
But Science uses universal, repeatable, documented methods.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_method

A Guide to Writing a Scientific Paper
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3528086/



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