You are right, we cannot snap our fingers and have someone be healed, if it were that easy, we would take it for granted. Its easy to notice that you have to work hard in life to get things done, at least that is what I have noticed in my own.
The point was that if God were real, he doesn't have to work for things. He just thinks them and they can happen. Humans are different from god so the comparison is horrible. You're not comparing apples to apples, you are comparing apples to the space shuttle.
Why does it matter whether or not we would take supernatural healings for granted? Would they be a good thing or not? If your mother had cancer and God came down and personally healed it, what would you think?
By end it, do you possibly mean finally cutting that child off from his/her suffering and bring that child up his/her rightful place in Heaven?
No. I mean actually showing some evidence of ending it that we can verify in some way shape or form. You see, this is your theological
position on the matter. It's your excuse. The whole heaven and hell thing is not proven at all. Not in the least. There is no way to verify anything about it. This is what you may believe to be true, but that has no bearing on whether or not it is.
And if a single human being had that power, then yes, I would criticize him, because I believe that there are certain things in this world that God would like us as humans to work out, something we rarely do...
Again, this is theology, not factual information. This is something that you've been told by other people, or maybe even made up yourself, probably a long time ago, to square the fact that suffering exists on a massive scale, with the proposition that there is a benevolent sky person watching over you at all times. You can't prove it, but you say it as if it makes a difference.
Can you deny the possibility that the reason suffering exists is because we are a fragile species on an often dangerous planet and we try to eek out an existence to the best of our ability; sometimes failing in the process?
Tell me what good things have happened to you in this world without the effort of you or someone else to make that good thing happen?
You mean that good things in this world happen because we humans make them happen? And the bad things happen because we don't do enough to stop them? That sounds like something I would say, and not something you would say. That sounds an awful lot like God plays no role in anything. I'd have to agree with you.
You see, if as a human race, if we worked together, we could all enjoy peace and good, but because we are humans, that does not happen. If everyone who had the ability to help came together to help all the starving children around the world and succeeded, wouldn't that be a good thing?
Sure. But if God exists, he has the power to do that too. Wouldn't it be great if God came down and fixed starvation as well? The fact that he does not, cries out for an explanation. The whole 'they'll be rewarded in heaven' is one very unprovable explanation. The other is that God is neutral in temperament regarding man, or that there is no such thing as God. After all, if there was no God, none of the starving children in the world would be fed by God, right?
I think you would be surprised to think about it for a while and realize that good things come at a cost, usually some sort of effort and work.
I'm an atheist Wez. I've known that a long time. Nothing comes from God. It all comes from us. You're not helping your point here I don't think.
I didn't state he picks and chooses, I stated that there might be situations in this universe involving all of us where he is preventing or making certain things happen....
Do you have any proof that this is the case? If not, please tell me why should I consider it?
I do believe that God gives everyone a chance, and gives everyone some help, whether indirectly (such as giving each of us the ability to work together and help out, or through ways that we don't even notice), or directly (i.e. my dad's friend that was randomly cured of full body arthritis and cancer).
My grandmother died of cancer. My wife's mother died from cancer. My mother survived it because doctors chopped off both her breasts. You are going to tell me that your dad's friend was healed of his cancer and arthritis by God but he couldn't lift a finger to help my grandmother or my wife's mother, or to prevent my own mother from losing her breasts? Is that who you want to worship?
You know, you talk a good game about wanting to help everyone out, but if you follow your God's example, the real world evidence seems to show that God (if he exists) picks and chooses who to heal, and does so in a way that is unable to be differentiated from normal healing processes.
If you believed that God existed, but it really didn't, wouldn't God's healing look a whole lot like that?
I don't know what the true meaning is, that is why I called it my belief.
But you can't say the church has strayed from its true meaning if you don't know what that true meaning is, can you?
I don't believe a religion should be force fed to anyone. I believe it should be up to each and every person to determine for themselves. There is nothing wrong with someone offering their beliefs to someone else just so they know, but it should not be forced upon the other person.
The bible disagrees with you.
This will be my basis for this topic. Now, that being said, one of the biggest detriments that religion plays in our society is problems it causes, that I would like to associate with those who try to force their religion upon others.
But the resource they point to, to try and force their religion on others is the same bible as you use.
I am more than okay than that, like I have stated, I would just like to offer my point of view on things.
That's fine. Point of view noted. Now, examine whether or not there are solid reasons to think that your point of view is way off base. That's the point of debating it.