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Is Biblegod Omnipresent?
« on: May 30, 2012, 05:36:20 AM »
I was debating someone online and this came up. I asked him a question and described God with the 3 O's - Omniscient, Omnipotent, and Omnipresent. He said there wasn't any scripture to back the claim that he's Omnipresent up, citing that this verse:
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Psalm 139:8 If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there.
isn't valid (inasmuch as proof of God's Omnipresence) because the Jews don't believe in hell. I thought that was a fair point and couldn't find any that actually said that God was Omnipresent. I mean, it doesn't really eliminate the multitude of problems that the other two bring up, but I thought it was a fair point.

He also said that throwing unbelievers into fiery hell for an eternity was justified because "God is above all things just", which prompted me to end the discussion  :-\
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Re: Is Biblegod Omnipresent?
« Reply #1 on: May 30, 2012, 10:44:53 AM »

He also said that throwing unbelievers into fiery hell for an eternity was justified because "God is above all things just", which prompted me to end the discussion  :-\

I love it when someone accidentally tells the truth.  'god is above all things just' seems like another way of saying that 'Justice is irrelevant to god,' which, if one looks at Biblegod's career as a whole, is certainly true. 

But to your question:

If god is truly omnipotent, it seems to me that omnipresent ought to be a feature of omnipotence.  At least within our space/time continuum.  Otherwise it's like this: 'god is ominipotent, but he isn't here today...so, let's PAAAARRRRRRRRR-TAY!'[cue Beastie Boys record]

Of course, I think the whole notion of an anthropomorphic invisible sky wizard being the 3 O's is pretty unlikely, so the person you were debating might have been bumping up against that truth and so had to back away. 

Incidentally, aren't there 4 O's:

Omnipotent, Omnipresent, Omniscient, and Omnibenevolent?

But since god is above things just, he gets exempted from the duty of omnibenevolence and so he gets to PAAAARRRRRRRRR-TAY!'[cue Beastie Boys record]

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Re: Is Biblegod Omnipresent?
« Reply #2 on: May 30, 2012, 11:16:39 AM »
Omnipotent, Omnipresent, Omniscient, and Omnibenevolent?

You would think that if he were all those things, he'd be a little more noticeable.

It is nice to know the bible doesn't actually say any of those things directly. More proof that everything about religion is made up. Even the stuff not in that book.
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Re: Is Biblegod Omnipresent?
« Reply #3 on: May 30, 2012, 12:05:45 PM »
Omnipresence comes from the Catholic dogma of God's omnipotence.  God is considered completely actualized, that is to say, there is no potentiality.  There's nothing left that he hasn't done/been.  If biblegod is omnipotent, then he must be present everywhere to be knowledgeable of all things.

The following list of properties are attributed to God by Catholic dogma:

Omnipotent
Omniscient
Omni-benevolent
Impassable
Infinitely Just
Infinitely Merciful
Eternal
Knowable by Nature
Omni-present
Absolutely Perfect
Absolute Immutability
The First Efficient Cause

But your debate-buddy is probably right in that there is no one verse that can be pulled out to support this.  That never stopped the RCC, however, as they simply connected the dots in the way they thought most appropriate.  Everyone does, of course, but the RCC has decided to patent their dot-connecting by calling it "dogma." 

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Re: Is Biblegod Omnipresent?
« Reply #4 on: May 30, 2012, 12:49:33 PM »
He sees you when you are sh*tting, He knows when you are awake, He knows if you have been good or bad so be good for His sake.
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Re: Is Biblegod Omnipresent?
« Reply #5 on: June 07, 2012, 07:54:08 AM »
He can't be omnipresent, unless he's a liar.

He went "looking" for Adam and Eve after they'd eaten the apple. Why would he look if he knew where they were? Is he playing games?

He also asked Cain where his brother Abel was. Wouldn't he have known he was dead already?

What biblical evidence does the catholic church use to suggest he is omnipresent?

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Re: Is Biblegod Omnipresent?
« Reply #6 on: June 07, 2012, 10:40:49 PM »
He can't be omnipresent, unless he's a liar.

He went "looking" for Adam and Eve after they'd eaten the apple. Why would he look if he knew where they were? Is he playing games?

He also asked Cain where his brother Abel was. Wouldn't he have known he was dead already?

What biblical evidence does the catholic church use to suggest he is omnipresent?

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hehe the RCC has no interest in wether or not God is ommni-max they only care about how much money the pretending will bring them
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Re: Is Biblegod Omnipresent?
« Reply #7 on: June 16, 2012, 01:01:51 PM »
I believe God's transcendence is being overlooked.

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Re: Is Biblegod Omnipresent?
« Reply #8 on: June 16, 2012, 01:56:59 PM »
I believe God's transcendence is being overlooked.

I think God has been overlooked since he was invented, and replaced with greed, fear, control, guilt, shame, hatred, bigotry, and every other malformed moral that humans can generate.

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Re: Is Biblegod Omnipresent?
« Reply #9 on: June 16, 2012, 02:22:04 PM »
I believe God's transcendence is being overlooked.

Then God shouldn't be so greedy and pass the magic mushrooms around.
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Re: Is Biblegod Omnipresent?
« Reply #10 on: June 16, 2012, 07:19:44 PM »
I believe God's transcendence is being overlooked.

I believe "God's transcendence" is a completely meaningless term until we have hard data that suggests such a being exists.

ETA:  In the context of the omnipresence problem, asserting the transcendence of a god really doesn't add a heck of a lot to the argument.  It just adds one more realm (e.g., outside the physical universe) to the list of places such a god might be.  It could be both inside and outside; just inside; just outside looking in but not actually ''present" in the physical universe; or nowhere at all.
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Re: Is Biblegod Omnipresent?
« Reply #11 on: June 17, 2012, 11:45:44 AM »
I believe God's transcendence is being overlooked.

I have no idea what this even means.  I need a little more explanation.
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Re: Is Biblegod Omnipresent?
« Reply #12 on: June 18, 2012, 10:13:44 PM »
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/omnipresent

present everywhere at the same time: the omnipresent God.

For someone who is present everywhere, he sure is inconspicuous.
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