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Outted myself at work
« on: May 26, 2012, 02:33:32 AM »
My contention has been that being an atheist (or a believer, for that matter) is a personal affair, and no one's business.  I have stated before that I saw no need to reveal my position on religion, especially at work, where doing so might have had some career ramifications.  I stand by that.  I believe that atheists are under no obligation to 'witness'.

Funny thing though... At work...the room was full, and we were all talking light-heartedly about the effectiveness of prayer.  There was a person there who was taking the position that prayer produces results.  I pretended to be convinced and asked her to pray for me to enlarge my bank balance.  She said 'pray for it yourself'.  I answered that I had and that nothing happened.  She then said 'well maybe you don't believe in god enough'.  To my surprise, I answered 'Well... I'm an atheist, so...' She shot back 'well that explains it then'.  I closed by saying that it didn't work when I was a jew, and when I accepted jesus christ into my life;  same thing -no response'

The exchange ended, and we all went our separate ways.  However, I was struck by how easily the phrase 'I'm an atheist' rolled out of my mouth.  So while theoretically, I think that my beliefs or lack of belief is my own business, I just didn't feel like lying about it. 

Polonius for the win, I suppose.

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Re: Outted myself at work
« Reply #1 on: May 26, 2012, 03:15:09 AM »
Good for you. It's exactly the way it should be. There's nothing provocative about being an atheist, yes it's a personal thing, but it doesn't mean you aren't free to talk or even joke about it if it's relevent. It doesn't mean you're trying to convince others or talk down to them. I think the only times I've avoided admitting being to an atheist is when faced with street preachers and I want to be left alone (except the mormons and I regretted that because they were really persistent). Heck, I don't even lie, because I'm a philosophical Buddhist, so when I say, "I'm a Buddhist" it's true and it generally means they're less likely to bug me (though not always the case because I'm still hell bound.
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Re: Outted myself at work
« Reply #2 on: May 26, 2012, 03:38:29 AM »
Those who constantly knock on my door, them, I play around with and though I don't necessarily state my non-beliefs to them, by the end it is highly implied.

At work is another matter: I am there to work but if I get into such debate, if pushed, I will defend my stance 'til they walk away or I feel I'm going to be fired. One of the problems of the workforce: everyone assumes you're like them.

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Re: Outted myself at work
« Reply #3 on: May 26, 2012, 05:14:02 AM »
I don't have to worry about outing myself at work since I am the boss. Nevertheless, I don't bring up the issue of religion at work nor do I expect anyone else to do so, either. Back when I was an employee I didn't out myself then as I knew religion had no reason to be in the workplace. I had one boss who was quite religious -- attended church every Sunday, was a member of the FCA, his son is a preacher, etc. He would make comments here and there about church, especially on Monday morning when he asked everyone what they did over the weekend. I would always reply that I mowed the lawn, just like usual. A harmless question and an accurate response -- let's everyone know the deal.

Currently, I have clients who are pastors and who bring up religion during appointments, such as "May the good lord above keep us safe!" to which I simply reply "Indeed." It's their belief, not mine. When I have been asked "So, do you and your daughter attend church?", I respond with "No, I do not attend church. Sometimes my daughter attends church with her mother or with her friends -- she likes to see what different religions offer." I get curious, slightly disapproving facial expressions in response to that.

Once, in discussing the need for life insurance with a client who definitely had a need and the resources to pay for it, she replied, "Well, we believe in God and that he will tell us to do the right thing and take care of us in our moment of need" to which I replied "Maybe that's why He led you here today, to take care of you in a moment of need."  She pushed away from the table a bit and said "I will discuss this with my husband."  Yeah, I bet she didn't.  I won't accept "the good lord taking care of us" as a response to anything serious in my line of work because if they thought the good lord was actually going to take care of them, they wouldn't be doing business with me in the first place.


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Re: Outted myself at work
« Reply #4 on: May 26, 2012, 07:05:09 AM »

The exchange ended, and we all went our separate ways.  However, I was struck by how easily the phrase 'I'm an atheist' rolled out of my mouth.  So while theoretically, I think that my beliefs or lack of belief is my own business, I just didn't feel like lying about it. 


Oh boy...now you've done it, my friend.  Prepare for your return to work after the weekend.  There will be an intervention.  God will be inserted into your orifices on a scale unseen before.  You are doomed.

Or, maybe not.   ;D

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Re: Outted myself at work
« Reply #5 on: May 26, 2012, 07:14:31 AM »
She said 'pray for it yourself'.

People pray for things to happen for others others all the time though - why would she say that?

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Re: Outted myself at work
« Reply #6 on: May 26, 2012, 08:05:08 AM »
She said 'pray for it yourself'.

People pray for things to happen for others others all the time though - why would she say that?

No one ever prays for someone else to win money. Why is that?  Since prayer never works, how could it hurt to pray for someone else to win money?

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Re: Outted myself at work
« Reply #7 on: May 26, 2012, 08:24:33 AM »
I used to work in software engineering, and there were a lot of atheists and agnostics in our group. In fact, I think I generally assumed everyone was until proven otherwise. A notable exception was a man who was my supervisor for awhile. Awkward. The man had, to me, very offensive materials in his office. He was an elder in his church. And, he sexually harrassed a bunch of us women. In fact, when I left the company, he asked to speak with me. He apologized for what how he'd behaved, but said if I'd ever like to go out, he was interested. I couldn't get out of there fast enough. Church elder. MARRIED. Hypocrite.  >:(

Oh, and congratulations!!! :) It really is that easy sometimes, isn't it? I hope there are no repurcussions.
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Re: Outted myself at work
« Reply #8 on: May 26, 2012, 08:46:57 AM »
I just prayed for everyone in this thread to win 1 grand.
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Re: Outted myself at work
« Reply #9 on: May 26, 2012, 10:35:25 AM »
I just prayed for everyone in this thread to win 1 grand.

but when did you pray for it to occur?

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Re: Outted myself at work
« Reply #10 on: May 26, 2012, 11:15:17 AM »
I'm glad you are comfortable with your decisions. I won't lie if directly asked about my position[1], but I won't volunteer it either. Like Chronos said, I don't feel like religion should be discussed at work. Everyone I work with is uber fundy. Luckily I work at home and only have hear about it on facebook. But when I do have to go in to the office and it comes up I usually just all of a sudden become preoccupied with work.

Every now and then they will talk about something that just really grinds my gears. At that time I will enter in and give my more rational perspective on the situation, or point out the error in their logic. The conversation usually gets ended with no one being able to come with a response to my answer, eyes rolling, and then they are all of a sudden preoccupied with work.

I've got coworkers, family, and friends who pray for me all the time. I just turn on my translator and it let's me know that they are really saying, "I care enough about you to think about it, and tell you that I'm thinking about it." . So, then I reply with a simple "Thank you." I honestly don't even bring it up with family, if I do it turns in to a nasty conversation that isn't worth my time, or the hurt feelings it causes both parties.
 1. This has never happened.
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Re: Outted myself at work
« Reply #11 on: May 26, 2012, 11:17:18 AM »
In fact, when I left the company, he asked to speak with me. He apologized for what how he'd behaved, but said if I'd ever like to go out, he was interested. I couldn't get out of there fast enough. Church elder. MARRIED. Hypocrite.  >:(

Oh my! That's an awful situation to be in, even if he weren't religious! Glad you don't have to deal with that any more.
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Re: Outted myself at work
« Reply #12 on: May 26, 2012, 11:56:00 AM »
I just prayed for everyone in this thread to win 1 grand.

     I figured I would quickly include myself in on this thread. I live in Las Vegas and part of my Saturday ritual is to hit the bar in the afternoon and drop a twenty or two in the machine. Maybe I'll even go a hundred since I've got prayer on my side today. I'll let you know how it goes.

I've got coworkers, family, and friends who pray for me all the time. I just turn on my translator and it let's me know that they are really saying, "I care enough about you to think about it, and tell you that I'm thinking about it." . So, then I reply with a simple "Thank you." I honestly don't even bring it up with family, if I do it turns in to a nasty conversation that isn't worth my time, or the hurt feelings it causes both parties.

    I can totally relate. :)
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Re: Outted myself at work
« Reply #13 on: May 26, 2012, 12:00:58 PM »
Hope I'm not too late to get in on Pony's prayer.  :o

I agree that one shouldn't be expected, let alone forced, to state their religious status (or lack thereof) in the work place, I have been semi-accosted by religious coworkers wanting to convert me/invite me to their church at times. I stayed civil, but I made it pretty clear my point of view was pretty much the opposite of theirs.

Obviously, anything can happen when one outs them self as an atheist. From nothing to all out war. I trust that usually it is nothing. But good luck anyway, Bereft. I'd pray, but...

Oh, and Pony I assume you'll want a cut. That's what Jesus would do.


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Re: Outted myself at work
« Reply #14 on: May 26, 2012, 12:25:12 PM »
I just prayed for everyone in this thread to win 1 grand.

but when did you pray for it to occur?
I hope its before the 27th.  How ironic to get 1 grand on the day the world ends. :(
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Re: Outted myself at work
« Reply #15 on: May 26, 2012, 12:25:56 PM »
Hope I'm not too late to get in on Pony's prayer.  :o

I agree that one shouldn't be expected, let alone forced, to state their religious status (or lack thereof) in the work place, I have been semi-accosted by religious coworkers wanting to convert me/invite me to their church at times. I stayed civil, but I made it pretty clear my point of view was pretty much the opposite of theirs.

Obviously, anything can happen when one outs them self as an atheist. From nothing to all out war. I trust that usually it is nothing. But good luck anyway, Bereft. I'd pray, but...

Oh, and Pony I assume you'll want a cut. That's what Jesus would do.
Probably 10%.  Isn't that God's going rate?
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Re: Outted myself at work
« Reply #16 on: May 26, 2012, 12:38:03 PM »

I've got coworkers, family, and friends who pray for me all the time.

Have you really? Only in America eh. Christians would be far too embarrassed to do that here.
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Re: Outted myself at work
« Reply #17 on: May 26, 2012, 01:03:08 PM »

I've got coworkers, family, and friends who pray for me all the time.

Have you really? Only in America eh. Christians would be far too embarrassed to do that here.

LMAO, yea. I'm not sure if my case is more extreme because I live in the south though. We had some teenagers knock on our door the day before yesterday asking if we had any children in the house who would be interested in going to a bible study camp this summer. My fiance told them we only had a baby.
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Re: Outted myself at work
« Reply #18 on: May 26, 2012, 03:24:52 PM »
A baby conceived in SIN, no less!   :police:
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Re: Outted myself at work
« Reply #19 on: May 26, 2012, 07:28:18 PM »

I've got coworkers, family, and friends who pray for me all the time.

Have you really? Only in America eh. Christians would be far too embarrassed to do that here.

Where I live, this is not common unless you are already talking to a prayer group or people who attend your church. It's just not common for people to say "I will pray for you". Now, if people ask for prayers, you will get lots of responses.


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Re: Outted myself at work
« Reply #20 on: May 26, 2012, 07:30:43 PM »
A baby conceived in SIN, no less!   :police:

Is there a better way?  ;D
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Re: Outted myself at work
« Reply #21 on: May 26, 2012, 07:31:41 PM »
A baby conceived in SIN, no less!   :police:

Is there a better way?  ;D

We are all born into sin, right? So, it doesn't matter whether you are married or not -- you are born into sin.
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Re: Outted myself at work
« Reply #22 on: May 26, 2012, 08:54:00 PM »
If I win $1,000 'cause someone prayed for me to win it, do I have to pay taxes on it, since god wanted me to have it?

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Re: Outted myself at work
« Reply #23 on: May 26, 2012, 11:24:43 PM »
[snipped] God will be inserted into your orifices on a scale unseen before.  You are doomed. [snipped]

Perhaps but I predict that I won't feel a thing  ;)

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Re: Outted myself at work
« Reply #24 on: May 26, 2012, 11:41:36 PM »
People pray for things to happen for others others all the time though - why would she say that?

knowing her. I don't think she was being serious. but I quickly scanned the room for reactions.  About ten people... one a superior.  No reaction from him, but I did get a couple of smiles, which surprised me a bit. 

I work in IT, and the thing I've noticed is that when it comes to conversation, interests and beliefs, it seems to be the inverse of what we generally complain about in society.  If there is a churchy type, it is he or she who keeps their 'light under a bushel'  We talk about science and technology all of the time, and there seems to be little or no consideration for biblical views on such matters.  It may also help things that I work in a temple of sin (casino) located in a god-forsaken part of the US (NJ).  I imagine that effectively weeds out most of the evangelists.

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Re: Outted myself at work
« Reply #25 on: May 26, 2012, 11:49:56 PM »
She said 'pray for it yourself'.

People pray for things to happen for others others all the time though - why would she say that?

No one ever prays for someone else to win money. Why is that?  Since prayer never works, how could it hurt to pray for someone else to win money?

Ooo ooo! I know this one.  When it's a prayer about getting money, god's pretty stingy (he's very old: I think he's on a fixed income), so he may only answer your money prayer once in a life time, so you don't want to go squandering your only chance to get rich by praying for someone else.  Hey, one may be a believer but one is certainly no fool.

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Re: Outted myself at work
« Reply #26 on: May 27, 2012, 01:25:43 AM »
If I win $1,000 'cause someone prayed for me to win it, do I have to pay taxes on it, since god wanted me to have it?

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      Well, in Vegas, you don't have to report any winnings under 1200 dollars. That being said... Prayer did nothing for me today. I played sixty and got nothing. Did allright a couple of weeks ago. I hit a four of a kind "deuces" for 200 bucks, spun the wheel for 75 bucks and got a bottle of Cuervo to take home on my first twenty. My best day was in January 2006. I hit two royal flushes for 8000 each in a 24 hr. period....
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Re: Outted myself at work
« Reply #27 on: May 29, 2012, 04:27:59 PM »
A baby conceived in SIN, no less!   :police:

Is there a better way?  ;D

We are all born into sin, right? So, it doesn't matter whether you are married or not -- you are born into sin.

Hey, that's right! So, why do theists make such a big deal about babies outside of wedlock, if the kid is screwed any way, even if the parents are married? It can't be because children are better off if there are more people around to care for them. If that was it, then god just would have come right out and said so, and left out all the messy details about partners and positions that are none of his bidness. ...

"Thou shalt have four or more responsible adults of any gender and sexual orientation agree to help you raise any children you may have. I don't give a rat's patootie if you dance around in front of a boring man in a dress before you make whoopie. Just have four grown people to help you if you produce a baby. Okay?"
Extraordinary claims of the bible don't even have ordinary evidence.

Kids aren't paying attention most of the time in science classes so it seems silly to get worked up over ID being taught in schools.