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Re: should peadohpiles be allowed to live ?
« Reply #493 on: July 09, 2012, 07:21:51 PM »
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someone vastly more intelligent than the rest of you
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someone more intelligent than you
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You must point out this individual to me.

I agree. It's not only insulting, but ignorant.
In an earlier post, I targeted your collective IQ.  The majority of you, not selecting anyone out, scored rather poorly.  I score absolutely perfect in 3 areas, meaning in 3 areas you cannot measure my actual IQ.  Joe happens to score almost perfect in almost every category.  IQ scores are a measure of your intelligence potential.  The areas I score poorly are in social situations.  It seems Joe rather enjoys a fun argument...

That said, unless you prove to me you can at least understand what Joe was saying, then yes, since you cannot understand what he is saying or just what I was saying, it would indicate that your own intelligence is lacking.  Period.  Yes, insulting.  But you don't realize the level of dumb that I have to put up with, and I don't consider most of you in the dumb department.

Unless you can score absolutely perfect on the classical IQ test that I reference (not some watered-down test), I don't feel I should have to place you all in the same intelligence category as Joe B.  Enough said.

Case-in-point:  Just looking at your responses to my post, you missed several points Joe B made.  One was that studies have been done in other countries that utilize child pornography, and it is not as big of a problem in those countries.... .... need I continue?

And another example - scientists predict that in our own lifetimes, definitely in our childrens' lifetimes, that drought conditions and heat waves will be the norm in the us.  water will be a scarce resource.  I'm talking 30-50 years down the road.  What are you going to do about that?  Because the government's position is to evacuate you all somewhere.  I hope you can buy a ticket to get aboard that train..  We've had 100 years to do something about this, you all think that your economic advisors and political leaders are the smartest and best, and yet you've led yourselves into collapse after collapse, in the foreseeable future.  That level of dumb that I'm trying to fix is uncomperable.................. !

You people are looking at the failure of your economy, the end to retirement, the end of affordable healthcare, the end of affordable education (maybe - that may fix itself), the end of affordable rent or housing, and the end of most of the globe's habitat - your habitat - in the foreseeable and looming future; and you're too fucking busy arguing about whether or not you think something unnatural should be taken as a good excuse to kill somebody.  THAT IS FUCKING RETARDED IN MY HUMBLE OPINION.....
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Re: should peadohpiles be allowed to live ?
« Reply #494 on: July 09, 2012, 07:24:11 PM »

This text is comprised solely of insults.
I felt insulted just reading through all of this.  Point taken.  Yes, it was to be taken as an insult.  But not necessarily to some of you who decided to reply...
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Re: should peadohpiles be allowed to live ?
« Reply #495 on: July 09, 2012, 07:57:37 PM »
If you do not mean to insult everyone, but only certain people, then you would do better not to insult everyone, but to only insult certain people.

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Re: should peadohpiles be allowed to live ?
« Reply #496 on: July 10, 2012, 09:52:11 AM »
In an earlier post, I targeted your collective IQ.  The majority of you, not selecting anyone out, scored rather poorly.  I score absolutely perfect in 3 areas, meaning in 3 areas you cannot measure my actual IQ.  Joe happens to score almost perfect in almost every category.  IQ scores are a measure of your intelligence potential.  The areas I score poorly are in social situations.  It seems Joe rather enjoys a fun argument...
And how, precisely, did you manage to actually rate the IQs of the various people you were criticizing here?  I don't see how anyone can accurately measure any category of IQ from what amount to forum posts, and it is looking seriously like you used just that benchmark here, since I doubt you know any of the posters you just got done talking about.

To put it very bluntly, I don't trust your ability to rate IQs.  There's a truism that we tend to consider people who agree with us to be intelligent, and people who disagree with us to be stupid (or at least not intelligent).  That's what I'm seeing here from you.  I am not going to comment on what you said your own IQ to be except to say that if you're correct in what you said, then this post stands as proof that even highly-intelligent individuals can act pretty stupidly at times.

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That said, unless you prove to me you can at least understand what Joe was saying, then yes, since you cannot understand what he is saying or just what I was saying, it would indicate that your own intelligence is lacking.  Period.  Yes, insulting.  But you don't realize the level of dumb that I have to put up with, and I don't consider most of you in the dumb department.
The fact that you have to deal with "dumb" people, I presume in real life, is no excuse for being so insulting and crude to the people here, most of whom are anything but "dumb".  Furthermore, it strongly contradicts your statement about not considering most of the people here in the "dumb department"; your actions belie your words, because if you didn't consider the people here in general to be dumb or at least not intelligent, you wouldn't be talking down to us like you are.  Most of what you can determine from the way people post is how much you agree (or don't agree) with them, which most people tend to use unthinkingly as a substitute for how intelligent someone is.

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Unless you can score absolutely perfect on the classical IQ test that I reference (not some watered-down test), I don't feel I should have to place you all in the same intelligence category as Joe B.  Enough said.
Unless you have access to a person's IQ test scores (and I am quite sure you don't in virtually all cases), you simply cannot use this as a benchmark.  I doubt you have access even to Joe's, so where do you get off talking down to everyone about how you shouldn't have to consider them anywhere near Joe's intelligence level?  I strongly suspect that most of your judgment of his intelligence is because you agree with him rather than because you reviewed his IQ scores, and that's almost completely worthless for judging how smart a person really is.

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Case-in-point:  Just looking at your responses to my post, you missed several points Joe B made.  One was that studies have been done in other countries that utilize child pornography, and it is not as big of a problem in those countries.... .... need I continue?
I'm calling you on this, because I suspect you did not actually review the studies in question, but instead took Joe's statement at face value because you agree with him in general.  One of the easiest ways for someone intelligent to screw up is with statistics, because they're screwy and non-intuitive, and it's easy to think they say one thing when they in fact say something else.  I'd strongly suggest that you go and actually review the studies in question (and by that I mean critically review), and not simply rubber-stamp them because you happen to think Joe is a top-level genius.

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And another example - scientists predict that in our own lifetimes, definitely in our childrens' lifetimes, that drought conditions and heat waves will be the norm in the us.  water will be a scarce resource.  I'm talking 30-50 years down the road.  What are you going to do about that?  Because the government's position is to evacuate you all somewhere.  I hope you can buy a ticket to get aboard that train..  We've had 100 years to do something about this, you all think that your economic advisors and political leaders are the smartest and best, and yet you've led yourselves into collapse after collapse, in the foreseeable future.  That level of dumb that I'm trying to fix is uncomperable.................. !
So what does this have to do with the question of pedophiles?  This sounds like an attempt to justify your own, unsupportable opinion on how intelligent the members of this forum are in general, and to be blunt, it doesn't, because you simply can't determine how intelligent the people here are in any reliable fashion.  Your opinion is not sufficient for that.

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You people are looking at the failure of your economy, the end to retirement, the end of affordable healthcare, the end of affordable education (maybe - that may fix itself), the end of affordable rent or housing, and the end of most of the globe's habitat - your habitat - in the foreseeable and looming future; and you're too fucking busy arguing about whether or not you think something unnatural should be taken as a good excuse to kill somebody.  THAT IS FUCKING RETARDED IN MY HUMBLE OPINION.....
Another attempt to justify your own unsupportable opinion on how intelligent the members of this forum are in general.  Plus, you're ranting.  If you want to rant about stupid people, go make a thread about it (I'd suggest Chatter, personally) and rant to your heart's content.  Just don't let your opinion of yours and Joe's intelligence lead you into making the rather stupid mistake of underestimating how smart the people here are.

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Re: should peadohpiles be allowed to live ?
« Reply #497 on: July 10, 2012, 10:09:13 AM »
In an earlier post, I targeted your collective IQ.  The majority of you, not selecting anyone out, scored rather poorly.  I score absolutely perfect [edit, that should be "perfectly", you are qualifying "scored" and therefore need an adverb.] in 3 areas,

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meaning in 3 areas you cannot measure my actual IQ.
I tried it on my dog and I couldn't measure hers either.

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You people are looking at the failure of your economy, the end to retirement, the end of affordable healthcare, the end of affordable education (maybe - that may fix itself), the end of affordable rent or housing, and the end of most of the globe's habitat [edit, I think you mean "habitats" Habitat in the singular seems to make it appear that it where the globe lives; I don't think you mean that.] - your habitat [edit, see you used the singular correctly there]- in the foreseeable and looming future; and you're too fucking busy arguing about whether or not you think something unnatural should be taken as a good excuse to kill somebody.  THAT IS FUCKING RETARDED IN MY HUMBLE OPINION.....
This shows the inability to realise that coming to an atheist website and expecting discussions on "the failure of your economy, the end to retirement, the end of affordable healthcare, the end of affordable education, the end of affordable rent or housing, and the end of most of the globe's habitat . is not a very intelligent move.

From my own IQ's humble position may I suggest you Google a few of those terms followed by "forum."?

For someone who claims to be quite bright, I don't think you did too well there.
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Re: should peadohpiles be allowed to live ?
« Reply #498 on: July 11, 2012, 05:17:33 AM »
I'm curious as to the math used where 3-9% (supposed %age of pedophiles among the population) is greater than 4-10% (%age of homosexuals among the population).

Obviously because of the margin of error. 3-9% would be more than 4-10% if the estimate of the percentage of pedophiles is more accurate to the higher end, say 7-9% and the estimate of the percentage of homosexuals is more accurate to the lower end, 4-6%. That's why I said equal to or possibly outnumber.

Also, where does the 3-9% statistic come from?

Ahlers, C. J., Schaefer, G. A., Mundt, I. A., Roll, S., Englert, H., Willich, S. N. and Beier, K. M. , How Unusual are the Contents of Paraphilias? Paraphilia-Associated Sexual Arousal Patterns in a Community-Based Sample of Men. The Journal of Sexual Medicine

Seto MC.(2009) Pedophilia. Annual Review of Clinical Psychology 5:391-407.

In a rational society we could collect all existing child porn and catalog it.
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This is just ridiculous. The control you're suggesting is far stricter than handguns. It's quite insulting to say that people who have never even touched a child should have to register and submit to intense scrutiny and regulation of their masturbatory habits. That is thought crime. You are ruling out any possibility of self-control and convicting and punishing without any evidence that the person would even commit a crime.

It would be like automatically suspending drivers' licenses for anyone who buys alcohol, on the assumption that they will drink and drive.
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Re: should peadohpiles be allowed to live ?
« Reply #499 on: July 11, 2012, 05:32:17 AM »
In an earlier post, I targeted your collective IQ.  The majority of you, not selecting anyone out, scored rather poorly.  I score absolutely perfect [edit, that should be "perfectly", you are qualifying "scored" and therefore need an adverb.] in 3 areas,

Not necessarily. If he were describing the manner in which he scored a goal, such as in basketball, it would be correct to say "I scored perfectly". But he is using "perfect" as a rank, such as one would say "I scored a perfect on my exam." It would not be an adverb then, but a noun. Perhaps he should have used "an" before "absolutely perfect" but it's quite common to say it the way he used it.

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You people are looking at the failure of your economy, the end to retirement, the end of affordable healthcare, the end of affordable education (maybe - that may fix itself), the end of affordable rent or housing, and the end of most of the globe's habitat [edit, I think you mean "habitats" Habitat in the singular seems to make it appear that it where the globe lives; I don't think you mean that.]

"Habitat" is most often used as an uncountable noun. Habitat for Humanity, for example.

Quibbling over minor grammatical disagreements in an attempt to marginalize his intelligence doesn't make his point any less valid. It just makes you look like an ass.
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Re: should peadohpiles be allowed to live ?
« Reply #500 on: July 11, 2012, 07:23:36 AM »
It would be like automatically suspending drivers' licenses for anyone who buys alcohol, on the assumption that they will drink and drive.

In law, by the way, the term for this is "prior restraint".  To take a more commonly used example: it's illegal to falsely yell "Fire!" in a crowded theater, but that doesn't mean that it would be lawful or proper for anyone admitted to a theater to be required to wear a gag as a condition of entrance.
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Re: should peadohpiles be allowed to live ?
« Reply #501 on: July 12, 2012, 01:45:29 PM »
BTW - my lowest intelligence is in the form of social siturations.  i.e.writing, grammar, punctuation, vocabulary, etc.  This doesn't mean I can't understand what I am writing, it also doesn't mean that I can't understand what I'm reading.  It just means that I am a poor writer, have poor command of english, and can't argue my points clearly enough to win any arguments.

The fact remains - none of you are listening to anyone but yourselves.  If you want a debate, at least consider the opinion of the other side.  I read through all 16 pages of this at the time, and was insulted by the fact that none of you made progress on this topic.  You just kept arguing as if you were correct the whole time.

And no, I don't require Joe to point out where exactly he got his statistical information when I can look it up myself if I'm interested.  The things I take at face value I do so because it makes sense in that situation to do so - obviously he wouldn't have said it if he didn't have the information at some point in time.  And quite frankly, it's sad that we have to absolutely prove things to you in order for you to accept anything. 

Yes, I measured your IQ scores as a group.  The response from that topic was 'this is bullshit'.  Joe scored 150 on my IQ test link.  It was one of the more challenging classical IQ tests that you can take.  Just the score alone (highest possible is 155) means he scores around as high as me or higher in almost every category.  And yes, IQ scores are a very good indicator of how intelligent you are.  I regard them higher than any test score you can achieve in college.  It is a measure of your actual intelligence, not an indicator of how well you can memorize crap and regurgitate.

The way I see it, you all are just pissed that I called you out on your BS, and resorted to putting you down as a result of your lack of intelligence, clearly displayed by your argumentative strategies instead of a debate that produces any real or tangeable consensus..

No, I don't care about my grammar, punctuation, spelling, or vocabulary.  I don't feel I need to carry a freaking dictionary in order for you idiots to understand what I'm saying.

However, had you actually read and understood all of these posts, you would have already realized everything I have said to this point...  this tells me you are either ignorant, or you don't actually give a damn, or both.
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Re: should peadohpiles be allowed to live ?
« Reply #502 on: July 12, 2012, 02:12:03 PM »
...Yes, I measured your IQ scores as a group.  The response from that topic was 'this is bullshit'.  Joe scored 150 on my IQ test link.  It was one of the more challenging classical IQ tests that you can take...

What the hell are you talking about?  You can't test IQ from people's posts on the internet?!?!?  :o  Or are you trying to be funny? FYI, if you intended the latter, it isn't working.
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Re: should peadohpiles be allowed to live ?
« Reply #503 on: July 12, 2012, 04:29:21 PM »
jeremy0:  I can believe you aren't especially good in social terms, because the whole of your latest post is practically a textbook example of "open mouth, insert foot".  For one thing, no matter how intelligent you think you are, you have no way to tell how intelligent the people who've posted here (and who don't agree with you) are.  You can't accurately rate a person's intelligence based on forum posts, and you certainly can't rate a group's intelligence that way.  If I were to make that sort of judgment about you, from the content of your posts, I can't say I would give you a very high IQ score.  Good thing that I know better than that, since that kind of judgment would reflect far more poorly on me than it ever would on you.

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And no, I don't require Joe to point out where exactly he got his statistical information when I can look it up myself if I'm interested.  The things I take at face value I do so because it makes sense in that situation to do so - obviously he wouldn't have said it if he didn't have the information at some point in time.  And quite frankly, it's sad that we have to absolutely prove things to you in order for you to accept anything.
It's called being a skeptic, and to be blunt, one of the biggest problems with human society is the fact that people are willing to accept what other people say at face value without checking it out because they feel the other person is an expert or knows what they're talking about.  Sure, he had the information at some point in time, but that doesn't justify blowing off your own responsibility to make sure that he cited it correctly, or that his interpretation was correct, or whatever.  If you want to do that, that's your problem, but you don't then get to complain because other people are not willing to accept his statements at face value.

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The way I see it, you all are just pissed that I called you out on your BS, and resorted to putting you down as a result of your lack of intelligence, clearly displayed by your argumentative strategies instead of a debate that produces any real or tangeable consensus.
The fact that you decided that what we were saying was BS, and that you could thus justify put-downs because you didn't think we were intelligent, is a pretty clear measure of your unwillingness or inability to consider what other people are saying rationally.  Don't you realize how you're coming across?  Do you even care?  Because right now, it seems to me that it's far more important to you that you can preserve your own self-image of being highly-intelligent, and that other people who you agree with must also be highly intelligent, and thus people who don't agree must be less intelligent, if not plain stupid.

Think about it...

Incidentally, this "classical IQ test" you were talking about, I'd like to see the details on it.  If you would be so kind as to provide the link, since I have no idea where you linked it last, I would appreciate it.

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Re: should peadohpiles be allowed to live ?
« Reply #504 on: July 12, 2012, 04:50:59 PM »
...Yes, I measured your IQ scores as a group.  The response from that topic was 'this is bullshit'.  Joe scored 150 on my IQ test link.  It was one of the more challenging classical IQ tests that you can take...

What the hell are you talking about?  You can't test IQ from people's posts on the internet?!?!?  :o  Or are you trying to be funny? FYI, if you intended the latter, it isn't working.
What are you retarded?  I said I started a post.  In that post, I said I 'wanted to put it to the test'.  I had several of you post your IQ scores from the IQ test that I linked to.... 

Hello?  I'm earth - have we met?  Jeebus fucking H christ.  Yes - I took a sample of your collective IQ scores, the sample being the ones that responded to that forum topic.  Get off the stupid chair - I'm putting you in time-out...
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Re: should peadohpiles be allowed to live ?
« Reply #505 on: July 12, 2012, 04:59:27 PM »
You can't accurately rate a person's intelligence based on forum posts, and you certainly can't rate a group's intelligence that way.  If I were to make that sort of judgment about you,
Again - I never said I was basing your IQ scores off of your posts here on the internet.  Retards...

I said I posted a topic that asked you to post your IQ scores from a test that I referenced.  It's called a 'classical IQ test'.  The one I wanted you all to take was a particularly challenging one.  Some of these online tests are watered down to make you feel good.  You can look up my own IQ scores simply by googling my name, and the fact that you are judging my IQ based on mis-understandings by the rest of you is rather foolish.

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It's called being a skeptic, and to be blunt, one of the biggest problems with human society is the fact that people are willing to accept what other people say at face value without checking it out because they feel the other person is an expert or knows what they're talking about.  Sure, he had the information at some point in time, but that doesn't justify blowing off your own responsibility to make sure that he cited it correctly, or that his interpretation was correct, or whatever.  If you want to do that, that's your problem, but you don't then get to complain because other people are not willing to accept his statements at face value.
If you want us to start citing every fucking thing you say with some reference to someone else's opinion or studied statistics or research on the internet, we can.  however, I don't have time to baby sit you fucks.  So in other words, sometimes you are going to have to take me at face-value..  I have no reason to doubt that Joes original statement was backed by realistic data, because I have heard of studies like that myself.  If I want to know more - if you want to know more, look it up yourself.  you will find a miriad of varying opinions just on google, based on scientific studies on the topic.  Now, I know I can find that - why are you requiring people like Joe to do the extra work for you, just so you can understand the posit of his explanation...

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The fact that you decided that what we were saying was BS, and that you could thus justify put-downs because you didn't think we were intelligent, is a pretty clear measure of your unwillingness or inability to consider what other people are saying rationally.  Don't you realize how you're coming across?  Do you even care?  Because right now, it seems to me that it's far more important to you that you can preserve your own self-image of being highly-intelligent, and that other people who you agree with must also be highly intelligent, and thus people who don't agree must be less intelligent, if not plain stupid.
No - I'm merely looking at all of your rebukes with irritability in the fact that you're missing the entire point, and arguing worthlessly on technicalities, trying to make me look stupid, and trying to really piss me off.  Yes, I mean to insult you, and yes - I consider your responses to this entire series of posts to be meaningless, thoughtless, and well, rather stupid.  period.  I don't care if I'm offending you.  Read books.  Get online and do some research if you aren't sure.  Then, maybe, you might not post the same stupid shit over and over.

Think about it...
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Re: should peadohpiles be allowed to live ?
« Reply #506 on: July 12, 2012, 05:01:46 PM »
What are you retarded?  I said I started a post.  In that post, I said I 'wanted to put it to the test'.  I had several of you post your IQ scores from the IQ test that I linked to....

You never included a link to an IQ test, or to anything else,[1] in any of the posts you made in this thread.

So...why state such an obvious untruth?
 1. Aside from the quote-links of the peoples' posts you were replying to, I mean.
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Re: should peadohpiles be allowed to live ?
« Reply #507 on: July 12, 2012, 05:03:55 PM »
What are you retarded?  I said I started a post.  In that post, I said I 'wanted to put it to the test'.  I had several of you post your IQ scores from the IQ test that I linked to....

You never included a link to an IQ test, or to anything else, in any of the posts you made in this thread.

So...why state such an obvious untruth?
Do you know what 'another forum topic or another forum post' means?  I didn't say I posted that link in this thread.  I said I did it in another thread.  Look, this isn't rocket science - clearly you aren't even listening.  You hear only what you are wanting to hear, it's going in one ear and out the other, and really, really pissing the holy shit out of me...

There is no 'obvious untruth' here except the obvious untruth that you are creating on your own and stating in your attempt to place yourself on a pedistal.
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Re: should peadohpiles be allowed to live ?
« Reply #508 on: July 12, 2012, 05:12:01 PM »
What are you retarded?  I said I started a post.  In that post, I said I 'wanted to put it to the test'.  I had several of you post your IQ scores from the IQ test that I linked to.... 

Hello?  I'm earth - have we met?  Jeebus fucking H christ.  Yes - I took a sample of your collective IQ scores, the sample being the ones that responded to that forum topic.  Get off the stupid chair - I'm putting you in time-out...

jeremy0, this is uncalled for.  Rein it in.
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Re: should peadohpiles be allowed to live ?
« Reply #509 on: July 12, 2012, 05:13:20 PM »
Wait, you mean this thread?  The one in which a grand total of 3 people reported IQ scores (you, joebbowers, and Whateverman)?  Is that your source of statistical data on this forum's collective IQ?

Incidentally, you did not actually provide a link to an IQ test in that thread; you only referred to one.  Is there another thread in which you did link to an IQ test?  Because if you're going to reference the results posted in other threads,[1] then it might be helpful to actually link to those other threads.
 1. At least one of which is several months old.
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Re: should peadohpiles be allowed to live ?
« Reply #510 on: July 12, 2012, 05:17:05 PM »
If I want to bash on people, I will.  I recently did that - and it just proved my point.  They resorted to picking apart technicalities in grammar and use of language to try and say that I wasn't intelligent.  I just laughed - that's pretty stupid.  Also, I pointed out that my intelligence is rather average in that area, but they didn't listen to that before or after the fact.
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Yes, I measured your IQ scores as a group.

I note that jeremy0 seems to think in very black-and-white terms. On the one side, the fabulously intelligent Joe (with whom he appears to be in love), and on the other, a bunch of indistinguishable idiots. Thus he says, they resorted to picking apart technicalities, when actually only one person did.

But he doesn't seem to have anything to say beyond, ner-ner, you're all stupid.

Which hardly qualifies as an intelligent contribution to the discussion. Though it qualifies as irony, I suppose...

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Re: should peadohpiles be allowed to live ?
« Reply #511 on: July 12, 2012, 05:29:43 PM »
To sum up, I've wasted my time on this forum, which appears to me to be more of a social club than producing any real, tangeable benefit to society.

If you all had an achievable goal, which would be to enlighten the rest of the population on the basis of religion, then stick to that.  Otherwise, I've noticed that most of you are very skewed when it comes to knowledge about topics other than religion.  And it turns into an argument, whereas instead of noting the information both sides has to give, you instead argue your point as if you are the end-all authority on the topic.  But you are not.

I can point to countless mis-understandings about a large number of topics and posts on this forum - however none of you change your minds.  You still base your information on emotion, intuition, the media, feelings, and social status rather than scientific study and information.

I can't force you all to sit down and watch science films and read countless articles just to get you on the same page of information that I have on the topics that interest me, to which I feel are much more important than this one.

What I'm saying is, this has become a social gathering - a place to pat yourselves on the back.  And you're wasting my time.  That is all.
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Re: should peadohpiles be allowed to live ?
« Reply #512 on: July 12, 2012, 05:36:55 PM »
Oh, I see, the whole thing is a histrionic exit-manoeuvre.

That makes more sense...

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Re: should peadohpiles be allowed to live ?
« Reply #513 on: July 12, 2012, 05:37:41 PM »
Dude, cool off and come back when you've shed the attitude that anyone who disagrees with you on any topic must be stupid.  You didn't start out on here with that attitude.  I know it's not a necessary component of your conduct.

I share your (apparent) concern about the lack of pro-science,[1] pro-rationality activities in the real world.  But this is just a forum.  It's not necessarily suited to those tasks.  And members of this forum have lives outside of this forum.[2]

What were you hoping that this forum would do, specifically?
 1. Not that you've demonstrated any kind of respect for scientific reasoning or methodology recently.  Instead you've shown only contempt for those things.
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Re: should peadohpiles be allowed to live ?
« Reply #514 on: July 12, 2012, 06:56:26 PM »
Joe: Here's my opinion, here's what I think!
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Jeremy: OMG UR DUMBZ LOLZ! Me and Joe have higher IQ points than you! He's right you're all wrong and stupid!!

Jeremy, please take a time out, cool your head, and realize what you're saying. You're being aggressive and arrogant. I don't understand why you think Joe is right or that the rest of us are stupid, but you're pretty much being irrational and unreasonable. Really, cool off.
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Re: should peadohpiles be allowed to live ?
« Reply #515 on: July 12, 2012, 07:11:28 PM »
Ok fine.  My apologies.  It was basically an exit.  I was frustrated from what I was seeing even on this forum, it seems we aren't even making any real progress on educating others about the fallacies of religion.  To me, it all looks like stupidity.  As I have shown by me provoking you and you provoking me, we can all be stupid.  So my apologies for the insults at this point - it was uncalled for.  That doesn't mean I will stay with attention on this site, as the last poster noted...

What I came here expecting was a forum of intellectuals that could discuss topics with a very intelligent nature about it.  To be able to speak intelligently on almost anything, share ideas and reach a common understanding on a number of topics.

You have to understand that some of us in America see so many problems facing our society today, many of us have some pretty good solutions if we would just put our heads together.  But we're going in the wrong direction, and basically seeing the fall of an empire.  This is the way a lot of us see America today - and when we get vocal, scientists included, we get some snappy response that either breaks people away from the information we tried to present or puts something in its place.  Like climate change.  We have been trying to convince people that this scientific finding is not based on myths - for over 100 years.  Just now we are starting to see the drought trend that we were expecting to see - along with the more extreme weather patterns.  Because we are now at a level never seen before by this earth, we aren't sure it's going to fix itself naturally with an ice-age.  My frustration with that is the government instead of fixing the problem just says 'we don't believe in it', or falsifies reports and information, and instead plans to evacuate everyone somewhere should the worst happen.  That sucks - especially when the recent stimulus spending alone could have been utilized with real ideas on ways to not only reduce CO2 levels but also create new industries as a result.

While i would also blame that on ignorance, as Greybeard, who usually has something intelligent to say to all parties on a subject when he's not duping somebody, pointed out to me recently..  something I noted just overseeing the threads discussed on this forum.

http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/forums/index.php/topic,23193.0.html

This led me to believe that we are all ignorant in a wide variety of issues.  I take it to mean that we have an education problem.  Or maybe we just aren't thinking for ourselves.  Or perhaps that since we are all basically information and processors of information, that we just don't have the right information.  At any case, I can't put my head around why we are ignoring the most important things, and acting like such small things that we just have emotion about are instead so important.  Like the economy vs. telling some rape victim they have to bear that child, because even though its unborn, we consider it a crime.  Why aren't we focusing that kind of care and attention on people that are already living?  I mean look at the legislation the past several years and the proposals.  We're talking serious stuff..  It leads me to believe that everyone is driven by emotion, and not intelligent thought, as our species would suggest...

So I've been spending my time trying to get people to at least recognize what we are going to be facing as a society.  Maybe prepare themselves or maybe answer some things before it becomes a problem.  But what I get is nobody seems to care about that stuff, and instead we all talk about small potatoes...

The problem I had with religion is that they are so stuck on religion, that any other topic just relates to that religion in some way, and so you don't end up with an intelligent conversation, and you don't end up reaching any common understanding.  I feel it is detrimental in our society today, given what we are going up against.  The problem is, nobody is recognizing what is really going on, even in this country.

At first, I thought it was just because religion was so prevalent.  I later found that it was due to a lack of information on really many topics.  What really got me was when we would talk about these things, nobody was willing to listen to anybody but themselves, as if they already had all the answers.

Take the empty glass argument against you guys for an example.  The argument was - can you make it any more empty?  Then you would say, well, no.  But that's not the truth.  The truth is that glass is always full - even in the absence of things.  When you take all the air out of a drum, it collapses.  The same is true of a void - stuff fills that void at all times (citing nothing is actually filled with dark energy).  So what I'm getting at is I can apply that knowledge to a number of things - like ignorance.  People have an absence of knowledge and information, thereby an absence of logical reasoning and understanding on so many things.  But they're not actually stupid, it just means at that point in time they aren't using their brains, and are running off of emotion, like we just demonstrated.

So I came here expecting that people could discuss the real issues facing society, and found that even numerous people on this site can't really agree on much, and care more about things that affect them personally, even inadvertantly, based on how they feel about a subject.  And that emotion is what is driving their decisions on a variety of issues.  When presented with new information - it gets passed off unless you finally hear it from an expert.  When presented with new ideas - it gets declined just because it hasn't been tried yet.  Hell, in my profession when I do new stuff that has benefit, it usually gets backlash from people higher up than me just because they haven't kept up-to-date on their own information and training with programming topics. 

So now you can see why I'm frustrated.  I see so many problems, and so many various solutions to those problems.  But the problems that other people see (like congress), isn't real identification of the problem - and then when they apply some solution it's almost guaranteed to be incorrect.

So I guess I came here to see if I was right that the problem was religion.  I would say the real problems facing our society is that we just don't understand the problems as they come along - everything hits us like it's some kind of surprise.  The last 'great recession', even though I was just starting my career, didn't surprise me at all.  We have income inequality that only happened the same way back in the 30s - no other time.  That alone said we were headed for a major recession.  I even had arguments with my professor about it in economics - and I turned out to be right, just two years later.

So when I see problems jumping out at me just reading through the news, it makes me frustrated that it seems like nobody else has the same information.  That's just me - maybe I'm a little out of proportion, but I see so many things as highly important to several groups of people, and people act like they are powerless to do anything about it.  And we're not talking 1% of the population - more like 50-60% groups - several millions of people.  How can that many people feel so comfortable about things today when clearly we don't live anywhere close to as good a life as we did back in the 70s and 80s?  How can one presidential term like the Clintons shed so much intelligence on how to deal with things like the economy, just to have people forget all about it and create such a mess everywhere in just 4 years?  How can we see what happened in the 30s and learn not really anything about it? 

What I mean is I'm frustrated because we keep dragging ourselves down off of the cliff - and we don't really need to.  I feel if people just knew a little more, or were just a little better educated on things, that so many of us would be better off.  But we're not even talking about that stuff.

So that's just it - just frustration on so many levels.  You have to understand that there's people like me that I talk to, seeing the same information and problems by staying informed, with just as much frustration seeing better solutions than what people in charge are doing; only saying 'you can't change anything'.  I wish that were BS...
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Re: should peadohpiles be allowed to live ?
« Reply #516 on: July 12, 2012, 08:07:48 PM »
You can't accurately rate a person's intelligence based on forum posts, and you certainly can't rate a group's intelligence that way.  If I were to make that sort of judgment about you,
Again - I never said I was basing your IQ scores off of your posts here on the internet.  Retards...
Maybe you didn't explicitly say that, but your attitude sure shows it.  Especially when you start accusing people of being 'retards' based on the content of their posts.  I mean, mental retardation starts at an IQ of 69 and becomes more pronounced the lower it goes.  So if you don't have access to my IQ score - and you don't - then how, exactly, are you basing your evaluation of me as a 'retard', if not on a forum post?

And incidentally, you only intimated that there was some forum topic involved in this in the post I was responding to.  Before that, you talked about a previous post[1] - implying that it was a post in this thread.  And that was the first time you talked about measuring IQ scores.  You gave no information other than that.  You didn't even tell us who you based our "group IQ" off of or what test you used.  I know you didn't base it off of me, because I didn't participate in any such topic, and I'd suspect that the same is true of most of the people participating in the thread.  The only people we know participated are you and Joe.

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I said I posted a topic that asked you to post your IQ scores from a test that I referenced.  It's called a 'classical IQ test'.  The one I wanted you all to take was a particularly challenging one.  Some of these online tests are watered down to make you feel good.  You can look up my own IQ scores simply by googling my name, and the fact that you are judging my IQ based on mis-understandings by the rest of you is rather foolish.
So, which "classical IQ test" are you talking about?  Surely you still have a link to it?  Also, I don't know your name.  Did you mean your forum handle?

By the way, I'm not judging your IQ.  What I said was, "If I were to make that sort of judgment about you, from the content of your posts, I can't say I would give you a very high IQ score.  Good thing that I know better than that, since that kind of judgment would reflect far more poorly on me than it ever would on you."

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If you want us to start citing every fucking thing you say with some reference to someone else's opinion or studied statistics or research on the internet, we can.  however, I don't have time to baby sit you fucks.  So in other words, sometimes you are going to have to take me at face-value..  I have no reason to doubt that Joes original statement was backed by realistic data, because I have heard of studies like that myself.  If I want to know more - if you want to know more, look it up yourself.  you will find a miriad of varying opinions just on google, based on scientific studies on the topic.  Now, I know I can find that - why are you requiring people like Joe to do the extra work for you, just so you can understand the posit of his explanation...
Why am I requiring people like Joe and yourself to do that work?  Maybe because you're the ones trying to convince me (and others) that your position is right.  Like it or not, a person who's trying to make a point, especially when it's not one that a lot of people agree with, has to go the extra mile to convince others about it.  But I won't accept being told "well, go look it up yourself, don't make me do all the work".  If you aren't willing to go to the effort to convince me of something I disagree with, even if it takes more effort than you want to give, you effectively lose the argument (with me, at least).  If you're okay with that, then that's your business, but you really should refrain from poisoning the well by yelling at the "stupid idiots" who you don't agree with.

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No - I'm merely looking at all of your rebukes with irritability in the fact that you're missing the entire point, and arguing worthlessly on technicalities, trying to make me look stupid, and trying to really piss me off.  Yes, I mean to insult you, and yes - I consider your responses to this entire series of posts to be meaningless, thoughtless, and well, rather stupid.  period.  I don't care if I'm offending you.  Read books.  Get online and do some research if you aren't sure.  Then, maybe, you might not post the same stupid shit over and over.
I'm not trying to make you look stupid, and I'm certainly not trying to piss you off.  I don't really care how intelligent you are, and I have no interest at all in wasting my time getting into a "my IQ is higher than your IQ" contest.  What I care about is how convincing your arguments are, and from the post of yours I noticed - where you ended with bragging about how much more intelligent Joe was than the collective forum - on, your arguments simply weren't very good in that regard.

As far as trying to piss you off, did you consider that perhaps you're getting pissed off not because I'm trying to get your goat, but because you're upset about other things?  I know very well from personal experience that when you're angry about one thing, it's very easy for that to bleed over and hit other things.  I suspect that's why you're getting pissed off so easily.  In fact, from other posts you've made in this topic, I'd say it's a pretty safe bet.

Really, take a bit and stop to consider why people might be disagreeing without Joe about pedophilia.  And note that I don't consider "attraction to pubescent individuals" to be pedophilia.  Pedophilia, to me, is attraction to prepubescent children, and I have a very strong problem with that, or with child porn to that effect.  It's going to take some serious convincing for me to change my mind on it.
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Re: should peadohpiles be allowed to live ?
« Reply #517 on: July 12, 2012, 09:46:31 PM »
Do you know what 'another forum topic or another forum post' means?  I didn't say I posted that link in this thread.  I said I did it in another thread.  Look, this isn't rocket science - clearly you aren't even listening...

No, clearly you are not communicating clearly. Many of us thought you were saying that you were GUESSING our IQs based on our input to this forum topic. Perhaps you are assuming that all of us read every single thread in here. False assumption. Perhaps you are assuming all of us remember every thread in this entire forum. Another false assumption. Perhaps you assume we can read your mind. Another false assumption.

I'm glad we've finally straightened out your point, because clearly there was a communication breakdown, and I can guarantee you that it was not all our fault.
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Re: should peadohpiles be allowed to live ?
« Reply #518 on: July 12, 2012, 11:55:13 PM »
People make the same excuses for homosexuals. They can't accept the fact that it is natural.

Being natural doesn't equal "good" or beneficial. Birth defects are natural. Mental disorders are natural. Having a predisposition to believe in a higher being is natural. Everything in this universe is natural.

Mutations are natural. The gene/s responsible for triggering a natural predisposition towards taking advantage of weaker people through sexual fantasy fulfillment should be truncated[1] via the act of murder, which is also perfectly natural. 

Think of it as natural selection.
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Re: should peadohpiles be allowed to live ?
« Reply #519 on: July 13, 2012, 02:35:12 AM »
I never said it was good or beneficial. I said it was natural, and not the result of childhood abuse or, as was laughingly suggested, a brain tumor.
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Re: should peadohpiles be allowed to live ?
« Reply #520 on: July 15, 2012, 01:24:03 PM »
Quibbling over minor grammatical disagreements in an attempt to marginalize his intelligence doesn't make his point any less valid. It just makes you look like an ass.
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Re: should peadohpiles be allowed to live ?
« Reply #521 on: July 16, 2012, 07:57:17 AM »
Is there a relevant point buried in there somewhere?
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