Congratulations! A gross misrepresentation of my argument from top to bottom! Quite impressive in fact. Without further ado, let's look at the myriad of mistakes you've made here, shall we?
I'm calling your argument as I see it. You're saying that in certain circumstances it would be OK for a 31 year-old man to have sex with an 11-year-old girl.
If she was physically ready, if she was emotionally mature enough, if she consented, if the man was kind and good, if the girl suffers no harm, and if it was legal.... then you'd be OK with it.
Putting it like that, I might be tempted to agree with you. But the crucial problem is that it isn't possible to guarantee that hypothetical situation. There is no agreed test of emotional maturity; no way to guarantee informed consent; and no guarantee that the girl will not be harmed.
So your dream scenario cannot occur in real life, Joe. Ii's a fantasy, and should remain so. Rational paedophiles understand this and refrain from acting on their desires.
That is a call to recognize that not every single case of adult-minor sexual contact is abusive.
Technically it is. But an 18-year-old having sex with a 17-year-old is less abusive than a 31-year-old with an 11-year-old.
It's not only the law that stops me, it's that too.
I meant that if all those other conditons were met, you'd go for it, except for the Law stopping you. That's why you want the Age of Consent reduced to the onset of puberty; then the final barrier to realizing the fantasy would be removed.
Ain't gonna happen, Joe.
I wouldn't leave my daughter alone with you for a minute.Aaand here we have the stupidest fucking thing anyone has said so far (except for the Christians who chimed in).
Really? It seems rather sensible of me, in the circumstances. (NOTE: I don't actually have a daughter, but I am assuming one for the purposes of this segment of the discussion).
And your questions support my defensive attitude. You say:
You think I would find your daughter attractive?
Let's assume she looks like the girl in your photo. So yes.
You think she would find me attractive?
That's possible, yes. She has crushes on pop-stars of your age.
You think I would find her mature enough to handle a sexual relationship?
That's possible, given your opinion that if a girl is old enough to get pregnant then she's old enough to have sex.
You think she would consent to one?
She might, if you charmed her sufficiently.
Do you think that if she did not consent that I would rape her?
No, but not relevant to the situation.
You think I would risk losing my job, my family, and my life to have sex with her?
That's also possible. Your friend took the risk of looking at child porn and ruined his life. People do stupid things.
So actually Joe, you have said nothing reassuring there at all. You're saying that if the opportunity was there, you'd go for it. Like a rat up a drain-pipe.
And my decision to remove my hypothetical daughter from your presence still seems entirely reasonable.
PS I mentioned before that these arguments of Joe's are typical paedophile rationalizations. I was just looking at the website of the paedophile organization NAMBLAWiki
, and found these similar examples in the FAQ page
Q: Why do you oppose age-of-consent laws?
A: Opposing age-of-consent laws is not our only focus; it is one part of our broader criticism of North American social and legal practices. We believe that these laws do great harm to people and relationships that do not deserve to feel the crushing weight of the heavy hand of the law. Just as important, age-of-consent laws do not adequately protect young people.
Q: What is this “ageism” you refer to?
A: Ageism refers to age-based discrimination, and includes the tendency to discount and devalue the feelings and opinions of children and youth.
Q: What do you propose in place of age-of-consent laws?
A: Age-of-consent laws are those which say that if you are under a certain age, then what you say doesn’t matter. We believe young people would be much better protected by laws -- and social attitudes -- that take their opinions, feelings and decisions into consideration.
Q: Do you believe it’s possible for a boy and a man to have a close, even sexual relationship, without any harm?
A: Yes it’s possible, and it happens every day.
Q: But aren’t these relationships always initiated by the adult?
A: No. We know from experience that some boys do initiate sexual contacts with adults.
Q: So, does this mean you believe the relationship can benefit the boy?
A: We know it can; some of us have seen examples in person.
Q: Ok, so if sex is so great, why do educators and doctors tell us it's harmful to kids?
A: Well, people in very similar positions used to say with authority that masturbation would cause insanity and physical infirmity.
This is delusional thinking.