But that answer was apparently not acceptable. So, I'm curious how she establishes consent.It's not acceptable because society has decided that 11-year-olds aren't capable of understanding an issue of this complexity, so they can't give informed consent.
How is my answer any different from your answer?
Yours: "People judge readiness by talking, and establishing recognition of potential consequences and risks. And establishing informed consent.
Most 18-year-olds can do this. 17-year-olds slightly less so, 16-year-olds slightly less so, and so on. But since there is no objective measure of this ability, societies simpy draw a line at a certain age, so everyone knows where they stand and there are no legal grey areas. It's artificial and arbitrary, but there's no workable alternative."
In other words, it's highly unlikely that any 11 year old could consent to sex, and even if some could, it may be impossible to determine. It's not reasonable to set age of consent for each individual so we have one standard for everyone. Is that an accurate summary?
Mine: "...the problem is determining her mental fitness. Is an 11 year old capable of that kind of understanding? Perhaps some are, but certainly most aren't. How could you determine which ones are? I don't know. Some specially designed psychological tests, I would imagine. Of course, that's awkward foreplay and it's not reasonable to set age of consent laws on a case-by-case basis."
In other words, it's highly unlikely that any 11 year old could consent to sex, and even if some could, it may be impossible to determine. It's not reasonable to set age of consent for each individual so we have one standard for everyone.
Why is your answer acceptable but mine isn't?
Whereas you think that the age of consent should be drastically reduced:
I agree, there should be a line, but I think the age of consent should be lowered to the same age that a juvenile could be tried as an adult. Which in the US is between 6 and 12 (here).
6 to 12 was your number, not mine. My point was that it's hypocritical to say that an 8 year old who commits murder is a rational adult, but a teenager who has sex is an innocent child.
I think 14 is a reasonable age to be considered an adult, and I think that should apply to both sexual consent and accountability for one's actions. That is not a drastic reduction from the current age of 16 in most states in the US, and at least one state is already at 14. Internationally many countries have an age of consent of 14.
I'm curious as to who Joe means by his 'girlfriend'. What husband refers to his wife as his girlfriend? None that I know of. Maybe he means his mistress. That's possible. Care to share, Joe?
I use the terms wife and girlfriend interchageably. This is a habit I've picked up from the Chinese.