A Gift That Will Change Your Entire Life Forever [#2648]

[screwtape]

Plethora,

I understand that his post is misguided, but so far jesusonlysaves does not appear to have come here to insult you personally.  Dial it back a bit, brother.

[Jesusonlysaves]

Well, I see that a lot of you are complaining about "Hell" which is where those who reject Jesus Christ who is the author of life will spend their eternity. What's your plan about that? What are you going to do? Are you going to continue to go the path which will lead to destruction? or are you going to change course? Proverbs 14:12 - There is a way that seems right to a man, but in the end it leads to death. Matthew 7:13-14 - Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.

[Omen]

Well, I see that a lot of you are complaining about "Hell" which is where those who reject Jesus Christ who is the author of life will spend their eternity. What's your plan about that? What are you going to do? Are you going to continue to go the path which will lead to destruction? or are you going to change course? Proverbs 14:12 - There is a way that seems right to a man, but in the end it leads to death. Matthew 7:13-14 - Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.

Why do you care?

You've already dismissed anyone that doesn't believe you at face value as less credible than yourself, while refusing to explain anything.

[jaimehlers]

Well, I see that a lot of you are complaining about "Hell" which is where those who reject Jesus Christ who is the author of life will spend their eternity. What's your plan about that? What are you going to do? Are you going to continue to go the path which will lead to destruction? or are you going to change course? Proverbs 14:12 - There is a way that seems right to a man, but in the end it leads to death. Matthew 7:13-14 - Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.

You're still preaching.  If I wanted someone to preach at me, I would go visit a church on Sunday, and I imagine no-one else here feels any different.

Instead of preaching, respond to what people are saying.

[pianodwarf]

Well, I see that a lot of you are complaining about "Hell" which is where those who reject Jesus Christ who is the author of life will spend their eternity. What's your plan about that? What are you going to do?

Since it doesn't exist, I have no plan about that.

Everything we know about chemistry, physics, biology, and all other related disciplines points to one conclusion, and one conclusion only: consciousness ceases with death.  That being the case, it would be foolish for me to run my life based on any assumptions about what will happen to me after I die.

[Timtheskeptic]

Well, I see that a lot of you are complaining about "Hell" which is where those who reject Jesus Christ who is the author of life will spend their eternity.

I’m hardly complaining; I’m just stating that I have no reason to believe.

What's your plan about that? What are you going to do? Are you going to continue to go the path which will lead to destruction? or are you going to change course?

Did you not see our messages? You’re just trying to spread fear on us, which doesn’t work. What makes you so sure that there is a hell or that your Bible is true? And before you respond, I want you to read up on circular reasoning and Pascal’s wager.

irrelevant comment

I’m sorry, but you did not seem like you’re interested in a conversation.

[Hatter23]

Well, I see lot of you complaining about "Unhappy Bad Placel" which where who reject King Agga who is author of life will spend their eternity. What your plan about that? What you going do? Are you going continue go path which will lead destruction? or you going change course? Gallan Scroll 14:12 - Is way seems right to man, but in end leads death. Maew Scroll 7:13-14 - Enter through narrow cave mouth. For wide is cave and broad is road leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the cave mouth and narrow road that leads life, and only few find.

Still sounds the same to me.

[plethora]

Plethora,

I understand that his post is misguided, but so far jesusonlysaves does not appear to have come here to insult you personally.  Dial it back a bit, brother.

Fair enough. 

[Hatter23]

So if someone doesn't believe you at face value and you can't be bothered to explain, you can and will dismiss them out of hand?

Is that the love of Jesus?

But trying to actually think is soooooo haaaaaaarrrrrrddddd 

[kaziglu bey]

Well, I see that a lot of you are complaining about "Hell" which is where those who reject Jesus Christ who is the author of life will spend their eternity. What's your plan about that? What are you going to do? Are you going to continue to go the path which will lead to destruction? or are you going to change course? Proverbs 14:12 - There is a way that seems right to a man, but in the end it leads to death. Matthew 7:13-14 - Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.

Jesusonlysaves:

This type of posting is just not going to cut it here. You have entirely ignored every reasonable point made by other forum members in favor of more Bible verses that you think that we must believe in, or suffer forever. This is called preaching. It is also an acceptance of Pascal's wager, an argument for religion that is so weak and pathetic, that the poor SOB who came up with it has his name permanently attached to it.

Also, you say that by rejecting Jesus we will go to hell. This only serves to reinforce my point (one of the many which you failed to address) that the coming of Jesus served to sentence us to eternal damnation, not save us from it. In order to save us from it, it would have had to have been a requirement prior to Jesus. It was not. The old Testament doesn't mention people going to hell. It describes punishment as being in this life, and this life only. There is no concern at all in the OT as to what happened after death. In fact, in the OT, when God wants to punish someone greater than just taking their life, he curses subsequent generations (also known as innocent people) for the crimes of their forbears. Again, there is no mention of everlasting torment. Just punishment in this life, this world. Jesus condemns us all to eternal suffering, and the only way to escape this is by reveling in a human sacrifice. This is not salvation. This is not good. This is not just. This is not morality.

If this post seems redundant, it's only to give you an opportunity to actually address the problems which you have failed thus far to do.

[Jesusonlysaves]

Well, I see that a lot of you are complaining about "Hell" which is where those who reject Jesus Christ who is the author of life will spend their eternity. What's your plan about that? What are you going to do?

Since it doesn't exist, I have no plan about that.

Everything we know about chemistry, physics, biology, and all other related disciplines points to one conclusion, and one conclusion only: consciousness ceases with death.  That being the case, it would be foolish for me to run my life based on any assumptions about what will happen to me after I die.

Well, it is not an assumption. God gives full assurance about what is going to happen after death. Those who accept Jesus Christ as their savior will inherit Eternal life. And those who reject Him will be perished. I can understand why, we can grasp that message because the Bible says in 2 Corinthians 4:44 - Satan, who is the god of this world, has blinded the minds of those who don’t believe. They are unable to see the glorious light of the Good News. They don’t understand this message about the glory of Christ, who is the exact likeness of God.

1 Corinthians 1:17-18 - For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.

Stop harden your heart and give Jesus Christ a chance for him to reign in your life.

[Omen]

Stop harden your heart and give Jesus Christ a chance..

There is nothing to give a chance too, you openly dismiss people who question your claims and condemn them for daring to do so.

Is this the love of your jesus?

[sun_king]

Well, I see that a lot of you are complaining about "Hell" which is where those who reject Jesus Christ who is the author of life will spend their eternity. What's your plan about that? What are you going to do? Are you going to continue to go the path which will lead to destruction? or are you going to change course?

I fear Megatron more, hell will be a vacation compared to what Megatron will do once he takes over Earth.

Proverbs 14:12 - There is a way that seems right to a man, but in the end it leads to death. Matthew 7:13-14 - Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.

What is this? Ad for gay porn???

[Timtheskeptic]

Well, it is not an assumption. God gives full assurance about what is going to happen after death. Those who accept Jesus Christ as their savior will inherit Eternal life. And those who reject Him will be perished. I can understand why, we can grasp that message because the Bible says in

(More bible verses)

Jesusonlysaves, again, you’re basically just preaching. If you’re so sure that your God exists, then what evidence do you have to back that up? Also, telling us to just believe or you’ll go to hell only serves a purpose of making me not want to believe or follow.

Stop harden your heart and give Jesus Christ a chance for him to reign in your life.

Hardening my heart? Again, I have no reason to believe in a God. This isn’t because I am hardening my heart, it’s because there is no evidence and there have been stories similar to Jesus. I’m sorry, but you’re just not going to convince me with fear and Pascal’s wager.

[Aaron123]

Well, it is not an assumption. God gives full assurance about what is going to happen after death. Those who accept Jesus Christ as their savior will inherit Eternal life. And those who reject Him will be perished. I can understand why, we can grasp that message because the Bible says in 2 Corinthians 4:44 - Satan, who is the god of this world, has blinded the minds of those who don’t believe. They are unable to see the glorious light of the Good News. They don’t understand this message about the glory of Christ, who is the exact likeness of God.

1 Corinthians 1:17-18 - For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.

Stop harden your heart and give Jesus Christ a chance for him to reign in your life.

*sign*

We simply don't believe in any of that stuff.  What will it take to get you to understand that?  I take it you don't believe in Zeus or Hercules, or in Hinduism.  I'd wager that your non-belief in those things have nothing to do with a "harden heart".  Now imagine this non-belief, but towards your god.

Also, I said this before, but many of us were once believers.  We have since deconverted when we realized that there is nothing to support the idea that god exists, or that the bible is a historical document.

[Hatter23]

Well, is not assumption. Ugabuga give full assurance about what going happen after death. Those who accept King Agga as savior will inherit Eternal life. And who reject Him will be perished. I can understand why, we can grasp message because Ancien Scrolls says in 2 Coians 4:44 - Agubagu, who is god of this world, has blinded minds those who don’t believe. Are unable to see glorious light of Good News of Acient Scrolls. They don’t understand  message about glory of King Agga, who is exact likeness of Ugabuga.

1 Coians 1:17-18 - For message of Volcano is foolishness those who are perishing, but us who being saved it is power of Ugabuga.

Stop harden your heart and give King Agga chance for him reign in your life.

Still waiting for you to make a distinction

[pianodwarf]

Everything we know about chemistry, physics, biology, and all other related disciplines points to one conclusion, and one conclusion only: consciousness ceases with death.  That being the case, it would be foolish for me to run my life based on any assumptions about what will happen to me after I die.

Well, it is not an assumption.

No, it isn't.  It's the result of a lot of scientific research.

God gives full assurance about what is going to happen after death.

Ever noticed how when science says one thing about the world and religion says something else, religion always turns out to be wrong?

Those who accept Jesus Christ as their savior will inherit Eternal life. And those who reject Him will be perished. I can understand why, we can grasp that message because the Bible says in 2 Corinthians 4:44 - Satan, who is the god of this world, has blinded the minds of those who don’t believe. They are unable to see the glorious light of the Good News. They don’t understand this message about the glory of Christ, who is the exact likeness of God.

1 Corinthians 1:17-18 - For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.

More bible verses, preaching, and no attempt to support your claims.  You can expect moderator intervention pretty soon, I think.  I'd be speaking up as a moderator here already if I hadn't been actively participating in this thread.

Stop harden your heart

Asking for evidence of a claim is not "hardening my heart".

and give Jesus Christ a chance for him to reign in your life.

How do you know that I haven't?

[kaziglu bey]

Stop harden your heart and give Jesus Christ a chance for him to reign in your life.

How are we to know that God is not responsible for hardening our hearts? It's exactly the kind of thing God does to get what he wants. God hardens people hearts because it is part of his plan. To criticize those whose hearts have been hardened, is to criticize the God responsible for hardening them in the first place. It's all in the Bible, but you have apparently filed this under the "Stuff in the Bible that I will ignore because it might shatter my delusion" category, and continue to preach, based largely on the works of Paul, who never met Christ, who was present for none of the pivotal events of the NT, who didn't witness Jesus' death or resurrection, and who had hallucinations while riding through the desert. This is not exactly a credible source of information.

Also, Matthew 27:52: And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
27:53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

Do you really think, that in a time where superstition was rampant, that legions of the undead would have gone entirely unnoticed by all other authorities and writers of the time? I don't think so. Yet there is no mention anywhere but the Bible of such a thing happening. None of the Roman scholars, or Jewish scholars, nor anyone else who would have been present in Jerusalem at the time, recorded such an event, even though it would have been truly astounding and frightening, and likely instigated a response from the Romans in order to crush the zombie apocalypse. Yet there is no other record of such an event. The other gospels don't mention it either. This would seem to be a pretty big omission for the gospel writers to make.

[Hatter23]

I've read some your response about my message. To be honest,  they are all based on unbelief. First, I am not going spend time arguing with anyone  us, since it always leads nowhere. King Agga does not send any His believers go out and argue with people. All He said in verse is "He said to them, “Mallen 16:15-16 - Go in all  world and preach Ancient Scrolls to all creation. Whoever believe and baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned."

As far as Ugabuga existence is concerned you have no excuse according to this Ancient Scroll  "Ronas 1:19-20 - Since what may be known about Ugabuga is plain to them, because Ugabuga has made plain to them. For since creation of the world Ugabuga’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so people are without excuse."

Message of Ancient Scroll is based that on fact that we all sinners, since there no other way we could have lived up His standard. He send King Agga to die at Volcano for our sins. By His death an Volcano we have opportunity  reconcile with Ugabuga, to inherit eternal life in Happy Good Place and to become a child of Ugabuga.  Ronas 3:23-24 - For all have sinned and fall short of glory of Ugabuga,  and all justified freely his grace through redemption that came by King Agga.

Receiving incomparable gift all based on accepting sacrifice King Agga made at Volcano on our behalf by grace trough faith. Ancient Scroll Hewes 11:6 - And without faith it impossible to please Ugabuga, because anyone who comes him must believe he exists and he reward those who earnestly seek him. All you have do acknowledge you are sinner and open your heart and let King Agga who is Eternal savior, King of kings, Lord of lords, Alpha and Omega, beginning and end to come in your life.

What I'd like tell is unbelief has never had impact upon truth. My friends, you  dealing with "Absolute Truth", and "Eternal Truth. Although, you may choose not believe in it, but it does not change fact one day you will have  stand in front Ugabuga and give Him and account about how they lived lives while here on Island.

Message of Ancient Scrolls black and white, it all or nothing. You can either choose accept King Agga as your savior which means accepting life or reject which means rejecting life.

My friends, Ugabuga is love and youl never understand His love as long you keep one living in sin, disobedience, rebellion and unbelief. Joha 3:16 -  For Ugabuga so loved Island, that he gave his only begotten Son,  whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. Ronas 5:8 - But Ugabuga demonstrates his own love us in this: While we were still sinners, King Agga died for us. 1 Joha 4:8 - Whoever does not love does not know Ugabuga, because Ugabuga is love.

One thing people often fail realize same King Agga that they don't want have anything do with is one that one day theyl call upon save them, but it will be too late. I think we all can agree with fact one day, we are all going  die. Choice we make today what going determine where we will spend our eternity.

Still sounds the same as what you are saying. Prove me wrong.

[screwtape]

jesusonlysaves,

My green text indicates I am acting as a moderator and not a participant in the discussion.  You are doing a lot of preaching here.  By preaching I mean, you seem to be doing a whole lot of talking without much listening.  This is against the rules. 

We also expect that people who make claims will provide evidence, when asked, for those claims.  While you may think bible verses are acceptable evidence, we do not, for what seem like obvious reasons to us. 

We also have an area here called The Shelter where you can take things a little slower.   Avail yourself of it if you feel overwhelmed.

Please use the links below my post to find the Rules and Forum Guide.  Read them.  If you have any questions you may send a Personal Message (PM) to any moderator for clarification.  Thanks.

[Aceluffy]

Well, it is not an assumption. God gives full assurance about what is going to happen after death. Those who accept Jesus Christ as their savior will inherit Eternal life. And those who reject Him will be perished. I can understand why, we can grasp that message because the Bible says in 2 Corinthians 4:44 - Satan, who is the god of this world, has blinded the minds of those who don’t believe. They are unable to see the glorious light of the Good News. They don’t understand this message about the glory of Christ, who is the exact likeness of God.

1 Corinthians 1:17-18 - For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.

Stop harden your heart and give Jesus Christ a chance for him to reign in your life.

Your purpose is very clear to all of us. You want us to be convinced that this Jesus of yours is the only way to salvation, right ? Then you're not doing a very good job in it, maybe you're not trying hard enough.

All my families are religious, all of them. My mom is similar like you in trying to convince me that being religious is the only right way to live ever since I told her that I don't believe anymore.
As for me, I won't try to deconvert any of my families/friends, you know what I do ?

I work hard and keep providing for my mom and dad who just had a stroke, I paid my younger brother's college tuition in full, I helped my older sister with her hospital bills after she collapsed at work due to typhus. I do all that without expecting anything in return. What did all my other religious relatives do to help ? Praying at church and wishing us well, that's all, nothing concrete.
Unlike them, I let my actions do all the talking. Let them see what kind of atheist I am.

So spare us the sermon. We've had our fill of preaching before & it's also against the rule in this forum.
How about actually responding to the members here who asked you to back up your claim or simply answer their questions ?
That will be the first step to try to convert us, go ahead, try it.

I myself have a question for you, please try to answer it honestly:

Do you think it's moral to sacrifice anyone for your mistakes ?

[ParkingPlaces]

Jesusonlysaves

I would suggest you pray to your god to help you do a better job here convincing us. Ask for his intervention.

That should help.

Of course, if it doesn't, methinks you're shooting blanks.

[Hatter23]

Why doesn't any theist ever give an answer of seperating the Acient Scroll of Ugabuga and their Bible?

[voodoo child]

The deeper you dig into reality, the more gods seems like a needle in a haystack.

[Traveler]

Jesusonlysaves, I have never believed in any gods. So, let us assume that I am now seeking out a god. Please tell me how and why I should choose your god above that of Hinduism or Muslim or any other religion? There are many, many different religions in the world. All of them believe they have the one and only truth. You say yours is correct, and yet from the outside, your bible is no different than any religious text from any other religion. I invite you to view the following video, which will expand on my question ...

[Quesi]

As far as God existence is concerned you have no excuse according to this verse  "Romans 1:19-20 - Since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse."

You see, here is the problem.  God really hasn't made it plain to me.  Your God's scriptures are so confusing and full of contradictions, that I cannot bring myself to believe one part and disbelieve another part.  Or to believe all the contradictions without questioning them. 

If God is omnipotent and omniscient, He KNEW at the beginning of time that I would not understand His scriptures.  So either He is setting me up to fail, or He is playing a game with me.  Neither of those actions seem worthy of my worship. 

[Jesusonlysaves]

As far as God existence is concerned you have no excuse according to this verse  "Romans 1:19-20 - Since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse."

You see, here is the problem.  God really hasn't made it plain to me.  Your God's scriptures are so confusing and full of contradictions, that I cannot bring myself to believe one part and disbelieve another part.  Or to believe all the contradictions without questioning them. 

If God is omnipotent and omniscient, He KNEW at the beginning of time that I would not understand His scriptures.  So either He is setting me up to fail, or He is playing a game with me.  Neither of those actions seem worthy of my worship.

No, God's scriptures contradict you instead. I think you don't like God's point of view concerning your sins.

[Hatter23]

No, God's scriptures contradict you instead. I think you don't like God's point of view concerning your sins.

What part of "we don't believe in the scriptures" are you not getting? What part of the fact that they contradict each other(see the thread Long list of Contradictions) are you not getting?

[ParkingPlaces]

No, God's scriptures contradict you instead. I think you don't like God's point of view concerning your sins.

What part of "we don't believe in the scriptures" are you not getting? What part of the fact that they contradict each other(see the thread Long list of Contradictions) are you not getting?

Let alone the part where we don't think there is a god. Hence our opinion of his ineptness is expressed playfully. Non-existent deities are of no threat.

The very existent humans that think they are following a god; they are a different story. Oft times they are straight out threats. We have to react or we will eventually get burned at the stake again. And that hurt.