This interview as very difficult to watch the first time, but I admit that I have watched it over and over again the past few days.
I can’t help but believe that this interview will become, decades from now, one of the iconic moments of this era
. Gay news anchor interviews church lady about whether or not homosexuals should be put behind electrified fences and left to die.
I don’t know anyone like this woman. I really don’t. But I know that she represents many, perhaps millions of people in this country today.
Since I’ve gotten obsessive over this, I decided to transcribe the interview. And here it is:
Lengthy intro, and then -
AC: Do you agree with his, his statement that he said on the pulpit, that gays and lesbians should be put behind electrified fences until they die out?
SP: Umm, I believe that that was say again that yes he said that. But of course, he would never want that to be done. Ummm, of course people are going to take it and make it their own way and make it into what they want to, but I agree with what the sermon was and what it was about.
AC: But you are saying he doesn’t want it done, but he said he wanted it done on the, he said it from the pulpit. How do you, why do you interpret that is not what he wants?
SP: I ah, let’s see. OK. Let me try to say it a different way. Maybe ah, maybe that is what he felt like should be done. I mean it could be said either way ok? Just to make the short of it, yes, I agree with him. If they can’t get the message that that’s wrong, then um, you know, ah, they can’t reproduce, and eventually, they would die.
AC: So you believe only that gay people are only born of other gay people?
SP: (Pause. Closes eyes. Blinks)
Ah, I’m sorry. What? (Shakes her head)
AC: You’re saying that they can’t reproduce, so therefore they would all die off.
SP Aaaah, I …If man to man…
AC Gay people get born to straight parents all the time, no?
SP No. That’s not what I meant. If man to man were in the same fence, (rolls eyes upward)
and women were in the same fence, they can’t reproduce together. That’s what I mean.
AC Right, but that wouldn’t eliminate all gay people. There would be more gay people born outside the fence to straight people, wouldn’t there?
SP Exactly. But we were meaning ah the ones in there. You see, it is all taken out of context and twisted, the main point is (Anderson leans his cheek upon his hand, gazing intently at the screen, clearly anticipating the “main point”)
it is always the same.
AC So what is it about gay people that are, are worse than adulterers who Leviticus points out, and people who curse their mothers and fathers who should be put the death, and promiscuous girls who could be put to death in Deuteronomy… What makes gay people worse than those people?
SP From the bible there is no difference, but that is what he was talking about.
AC So you believe people who, you believe that adulterers should be put to death? Because that is in the bible.
SP Like you said, like it was said, ah, you know, just not not really, whatever happened, but yeah, I’m not gonna, you know, keep answering the same questions over and over. Yes.
AC So is it, does it seem Christian to you to talk about putting people behind electrified fences, and watching them die? Because I’ve talked to a number of pastors in the last couple of days who’ve said they, that just doesn’t sound Christian. That just doesn’t sound like the message of love that they hear in the bible.
SP People keep, once again, harping, harping harping on the electric fence (rolls eyes) this and that. It is about the HOMOSEXUALS and it is wrong. That’s what it is about.
AC But you would understand why some people would be, would feel that this, this is wrong to say. I mean, you say people are harping on it. Do you understand why some people would be concerned? I mean, if some people were talking about putting Jews behind electrified fences, I imagine that would be of concern to you.
SP Well, again, um, it’s not (sigh) it’s not, here we go again, you know. Nobody’s going to put them behind, ah, an electric fence.
AC Well actually that has happened.
SP That’s the point.
AC It is called the holocaust. You said nobody’s going to kill homosexuals. Homosexuals are killed all around the world. It is happening right now In Iraq… and right now in Iran.
SP Yeah, well, this is 2012.
AC Right. It is happening right now, in 2012, in Iraq and Iran.
SP And the main thing is yes. And you know. And you know what? This is a pastor that speaks the word of god. Anybody can take it anyway they want to, and if they don’t like it, they don’t have to. They can turn around and go on.
AC Thank you for being on the program.
SP Yeah. Sure. Thank you so much.