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Re: Demon Possession
« Reply #203 on: May 03, 2012, 10:38:59 AM »
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Nathan, you have just ignored my question and decided to do this. You just proved that you're incapable of paying attention to what is being asked of you. Please try again and answer my questions, including my bit about proving that i do not have a kappa in my room or that there wasn't a gnome in my pocket. Your post is nothing but plain ignorance
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I can not answer a question without knowledge.  Knowledge comes through experience and study. Your question is irrelevant becuase there is not answer nor have I had an experience that would conclude either way.  That is call science. 

You have failed.

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You just don't get it do you?! You not only dodged my questions, but you actually decided to be so condescending by going, "You have failed." You, Nathan, are the one who failed. You hadn't answered my questions, and you haven't even got the concept of what i'm trying to get at. Again, You said, "Prove there isn't a god" I said, "Prove that i don't have a kappa in my room." You clearly didn't get the concept did you? Also, i asked which made more sense to you

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Boy #1: I have a baseball.
Boy #2: Oh yeah? Prove it.
Boy #1: Taa daa (Shows a baseball)
Boy #2: Cool, ok, we can go play baseball.

or

Boy #1: I have a baseball.
Boy #2: Oh yeah? Prove it.
Boy #1: Prove that it doesn't! I have a baseball and that's all i need, now you need to either accept that i have a baseball or prove that i don't have it!
Boy #2: Dafug?
 

Please stop dodging my questions and answer it.
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Re: Demon Possession
« Reply #204 on: May 03, 2012, 10:39:31 AM »
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you will answer to Me, so I suggest you take caution in what you say.

By the way, there's an entire planet underneath a snake's belly. That's still a lot bigger than anything you'll ever be.

If you think I am not The One Above All, then I challenge you to prove it.

I answer to Jesus Christ my Lord and savior and you have no authority or power over me.  I rebuke you and command you to be blind to my presence and the presence of all believers on this webpage.   I refuse to prove anything and my Lord and savior will protect me and watch over me.  I call God's warrior angels to protect me and my family.  In Jesus name

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Re: Demon Possession
« Reply #205 on: May 03, 2012, 10:41:00 AM »
I answer to Jesus Christ my Lord and savior and you have no authority or power over me.

I said AFTER you die you will answer to Me. Every sentient being in the entire multiverse will answer to Me when they die, and I will judge them based on what's Right and True.

Puny mortal, you will answer for your sins directly to Me. You have denied My power, even after all that I have done for you. I brought you back from the brink of death. I gave you a family. You presume yourself even capable of rebelling against Me? You are nothing but specks of dust beneath My fingernails.
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The truth is absolute. Life forms are specks of specks (...) of specks of dust in the universe.
Why settle for normal, when you can be so much more? Why settle for something, when you can have everything?
We choose our own gods.

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Re: Demon Possession
« Reply #206 on: May 03, 2012, 10:41:06 AM »
I answer to Jesus Christ my Lord and savior and you have no authority or power over me.  I rebuke you and command you to be blind to my presence and the presence of all believers on this webpage.   I refuse to prove anything and my Lord and savior will protect me and watch over me.  I call God's warrior angels to protect me and my family.  In Jesus name

wooogha wooogah.  ;D  Care to shake your shrunken head and dance around for all of the good that any of this does? 

Nice to see you being one more Christian with nothing to support him or his nonsense. 
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Re: Demon Possession
« Reply #207 on: May 03, 2012, 10:43:16 AM »
Fully Agree

Agreed

Good, we agree on some things, but what was my first point?

How do you determine what is truth? Follow the facts.

Timtheskeptic clarifies the point I was trying to make.

Nathan... really want to know what caused me to loose my faith? Reading the bible and realizing it was written by bronzeage sexist *a whole bunch of other stuff* men who didn't understand **** on how the world works. Then the realization that no "All-Knowing" "All-anything" god had anything to do with it. That's it.

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Re: Demon Possession
« Reply #208 on: May 03, 2012, 10:47:20 AM »

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You are correct, these petty mortals need to heed my words better

said in a 5 yr old voice.
My God is bigger then your God.

The relative size is not relevant. I state (1) I exist,(2) I am male,(3) I live in the United States,(4) and I am actually an incarnation of the one and only Loki, the Norse God.

For each of these four claims, do you believe me?, yes or no.



An Omnipowerful God needed to sacrifice himself to himself (but only for a long weekend) in order to avert his own wrath against his own creations who he made in a manner knowing that they weren't going to live up to his standards.

And you should feel guilty for this. Give me money.

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Re: Demon Possession
« Reply #209 on: May 03, 2012, 10:47:44 AM »
you ar nothing but a cased down theft and fired angel of light.  you sit in the unemployment line of heaven waiting for someone to sin so you can torment them.  You are lower then a snakes belly and I command you to leave this webpage is Jesus Name.

I answer to Jesus Christ my Lord and savior and you have no authority or power over me.

I said AFTER you die you will answer to Me. Every sentient being in the entire multiverse will answer to Me when they die, and I will judge them based on what's Right and True.

Proof Lucifer is more powerful than Jesus. ie. Lucifer posted after being banned by Jesus via rebuking by Nathan.
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Re: Demon Possession
« Reply #210 on: May 03, 2012, 10:48:38 AM »
Proof Lucifer is more powerful than Jesus.

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Re: Demon Possession
« Reply #211 on: May 03, 2012, 10:50:01 AM »
NATHAN, you really are ignorant of the people you're talking to and of why atheists think the way they do and how they came to their conclusions. You've had ample opportunity to become educated  on these matters, but instead you'd much prefer to be insulting and derogative towards others simply because they ask for evidence to your claims or some back up to your claims.

Maybe if you were willing to engage us you wouldn't be so ignorant? As far as I can see you're unwilling, so there's no point me taking you seriously. So I guess...hang on a minute, I'm receiving a communication inside of my head. It's telling me things about this universe.

I will type up all that I have learned.


Zathar is real, he has spoken to me. I have felt his presence. Zathar has warned me about false religions, he has warned me that people who do not believe in his existence when presented with mere word of his name then they are people corrupt with only darkness in their hearts who would see this world end. These people will one day perish and Zathar will see to it that they are punished severely for their darkness. But those who accept Zathar, they will ascend to a nebula where they will find a realm of peace, harmony and a many great things, including just about anything you so desire - even free beer. All those in Zathar's Nebula will be considered great and equal and there is much freedom.

Zathar also told me that a Quasar is caused when sentient beings on a planet refuse to accept Zathar and he travels across space to inform people of his existence and prevent this tragedy, but only those who have their hearts open out to Zathar can hear him. The reason he punishes those who remain ignorant of his existence is because they threaten the very worlds we inhabit. Zathar loves all living beings and would not want to see a Quasar form out of our Galaxy. So I am informing you of Zathar so that you may join me in saving our world and ascending to greatness in death.

I am now a true believer as he has revealed himself to me.

If you do not believe Zathar is real then please proceed to prove to me that he is not. Otherwise I cannot possibly take you seriously.

So NATHAN, will you join me in rejecting your false God to become a brother of Zathar? Oh and all you heathens on this board? Zathar will punish you all too, so you best as well become a brother of Zathar too.



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Re: Demon Possession
« Reply #212 on: May 03, 2012, 10:50:24 AM »
Boy #1 I have a Eyes
Boy #2 Oh Yeah? Prove it
Boy #1 I see darkness
Boy #2 I don't see darkness
Boy #1 There is no light
Boy #2 I see the sun
Boy #1 darkness is absence of light.
Boy #2 I see the sun
Boy #1 You have darkness in your life
Boy #2 I see the sun
Boy #1 You are knee deep in pornagraphy
Boy #2 I see the sun
Boy #1 You care more for yourself then you wife and kids.
Boy #2 I see the sun
Boy #1 YOu have rejected Jesus
Boy #2 I see the sun
Boy #1 Accept Jesus
Boy #2 No I see the sun
Boy #1 You will die and give and account of your life to God
Boy #2 I see the sun
Boy #1 Lord help him See the Son
Boy #2 dies and from hell he says " I see the Son but it is to late.

This is your conversation with God. You are the boy that sees this world and refused to see beyond it.   What a brood of Vipers and decieved people.
Seriously?  This is the best rebuttal you can come up with?

Let me state this very simply, in the hope that you'll understand.  You have to be able to provide evidence of a claim, or you should not expect people to believe you.  Threatening people (and yes, claiming they'll go to hell and eternal damnation is a threat) because they aren't willing to accept your claim without evidence is silly.  You might as well say, "Accept Jesus, or you'll be shot in the head".  Do you seriously think a person is going to have a genuine change of heart when faced with a threat like that?

I can think of better ways to convince people to act in a certain way than by such a crude reward/punishment system as Christians have come up with.  Do you seriously think that a deity, presumably smarter than I am, would not even have thought of such ways, or better ones than I could have thought of?  It is telling that your god's methods are as crude as they are - they are all that early Christians could come up with.  In other words, this heaven/hell system is a fiction, the collective imagination of Christian believers who never thought to step back and consider whether that belief made any real sense.

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Re: Demon Possession
« Reply #213 on: May 03, 2012, 10:56:19 AM »
Seriously?  This is the best rebuttal you can come up with?

Let me state this very simply, in the hope that you'll understand.  You have to be able to provide evidence of a claim, or you should not expect people to believe you.  Threatening people (and yes, claiming they'll go to hell and eternal damnation is a threat) because they aren't willing to accept your claim without evidence is silly.  You might as well say, "Accept Jesus, or you'll be shot in the head".  Do you seriously think a person is going to have a genuine change of heart when faced with a threat like that?

I can think of better ways to convince people to act in a certain way than by such a crude reward/punishment system as Christians have come up with.  Do you seriously think that a deity, presumably smarter than I am, would not even have thought of such ways, or better ones than I could have thought of?  It is telling that your god's methods are as crude as they are - they are all that early Christians could come up with.  In other words, this heaven/hell system is a fiction, the collective imagination of Christian believers who never thought to step back and consider whether that belief made any real sense.

Exactly, that's why i was asking with the question which one makes more sense. He just completely didges the questions we've all been asking him.
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Re: Demon Possession
« Reply #214 on: May 03, 2012, 11:13:54 AM »
since you asked God makes more sense

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Re: Demon Possession
« Reply #215 on: May 03, 2012, 11:14:30 AM »
since you asked God makes more sense

I do make more sense. Thanks for admitting it.
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Re: Demon Possession
« Reply #216 on: May 03, 2012, 11:15:00 AM »
since you asked God makes more sense

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Re: Demon Possession
« Reply #217 on: May 03, 2012, 11:15:56 AM »
NATHAN, is Zathar real?
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« Reply #218 on: May 03, 2012, 11:17:03 AM »
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The relative size is not relevant. I state (1) I exist,(2) I am male,(3) I live in the United States,(4) and I am actually an incarnation of the one and only Loki, the Norse God.


Ok Let me introduce Jesus to you so we can cast that false demon out of you. 

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« Reply #219 on: May 03, 2012, 11:20:36 AM »
Ok Let me introduce Jesus to you so we can cast that false demon out of you. 

Loki is My child, NATHAN. If you even dare attempt such a thing, you will answer for it.
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« Reply #220 on: May 03, 2012, 11:21:43 AM »
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Let me state this very simply, in the hope that you'll understand.  You have to be able to provide evidence of a claim, or you should not expect people to believe you.  Threatening people (and yes, claiming they'll go to hell and eternal damnation is a threat) because they aren't willing to accept your claim without evidence is silly.  You might as well say, "Accept Jesus, or you'll be shot in the head".  Do you seriously think a person is going to have a genuine change of heart when faced with a threat like that?

It is not a threat it is fact.  If you tell a child don't touch the stove you will get burn is that a threat? You see it as a threat Why? 


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I can think of better ways to convince people to act in a certain way than by such a crude reward/punishment system as Christians have come up with.  Do you seriously think that a deity, presumably smarter than I am, would not even have thought of such ways, or better ones than I could have thought of?  It is telling that your god's methods are as crude as they are - they are all that early Christians could come up with.  In other words, this heaven/hell system is a fiction, the collective imagination of Christian believers who never thought to step back and consider whether that belief made any real sense.
[/quote]  So why is hell a threat to you if it does not exist?  There is a part of you that is not sure and you fear hell. you do not understand christianity at all. it is not about acting a certain way or doing a certain thing. 

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« Reply #221 on: May 03, 2012, 11:24:28 AM »
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If I don't help Loki I have to anwser God for it.  I would anwser to Him instead of you.

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« Reply #222 on: May 03, 2012, 11:26:03 AM »
If I don't help Loki I have to anwser God for it.  I would anwser to Him instead of you.

The one you refer to as "God" is named "YHWH". I know. I gave him that name. When you die you will not answer to him. You will answer to Me. My decisions overrule any of My children's.
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« Reply #223 on: May 03, 2012, 11:27:32 AM »
It is not a threat it is fact.  If you tell a child don't touch the stove you will get burn is that a threat? You see it as a threat Why? 

A stove can be proven hot.

You can't even demostrate that your hell exists.


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So why is hell a threat to you if it does not exist?

The concept of hell is used to scare people into submission.  That is (one of) our problem with it.


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There is a part of you that is not sure and you fear hell.

Nope.  No fear of hell here.  But it is annoying when someone makes us of it as a threat.


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you do not understand christianity at all. it is not about acting a certain way or doing a certain thing.

Being ex-christians, we understand christianity very well.
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« Reply #224 on: May 03, 2012, 11:29:56 AM »
I refuse to prove anything and my Lord and savior will protect me and watch over me.  I call God's warrior angels to protect me and my family.  In Jesus name

Why the hell are you here? If you refuse to prove anything then it makes our job harder to believe a word you say.

Just saying.

I mean, if you call god's warrior angels to protect you, you can, but it's pretty pointless on your part.
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Re: Demon Possession
« Reply #225 on: May 03, 2012, 11:42:28 AM »
Lucifer[1] is our true God and Zathar is his son, who is flying across galaxies to save them from the great Quasars.

Care to prove to us how this is false?
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« Reply #226 on: May 03, 2012, 11:45:49 AM »
Lucifer[1] is our true God and Zathar is his son, who is flying across galaxies to save them from the great Quasars.

Care to prove to us how this is false?
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Seppuku, if Zathar revealed himself to you, then we have a problem. I'm going to talk it over with him. He's supposed to handle the next galaxy over, not this one. However, the answer to your question is yes - Zathar is real. He's just not supposed to reveal himself here.
Also, note that I have children in numbers beyond your comprehension. Every god in every religion is My child; not just Zathar.
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« Reply #227 on: May 03, 2012, 11:47:24 AM »
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The relative size is not relevant. I state (1) I exist,(2) I am male,(3) I live in the United States,(4) and I am actually an incarnation of the one and only Loki, the Norse God.


Ok Let me introduce Jesus to you so we can cast that false demon out of you.

*Sigh* Nathan, it's quite clear you're not interested in a debate, you're just here to be condescending and ignorant. How about paying attention to what is being said instead of ignoring us and talking total nonsense.
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« Reply #228 on: May 03, 2012, 11:51:01 AM »
It is not a threat it is fact.  If you tell a child don't touch the stove you will get burn is that a threat? You see it as a threat Why? 

No, that is a threat. It's not a good comparison here, when you're warning a child not to touch the stove, you're trying to watch out for them, but what you're doing is this, "Believe or burn!" That is a threat. If i held a gun to your head and said, "Believe what i tell you or i shoot," that's a threat and that's what you're doing.

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So why is hell a threat to you if it does not exist?  There is a part of you that is not sure and you fear hell. you do not understand christianity at all. it is not about acting a certain way or doing a certain thing.

Wrong again. It's not that we're afraid, it's just that you're trying to force us to believe what you want us to believe instead of providing evidence for the claims you made. Also, please answer my questions i asked you Nathan. Also, i have a very good understanding of Christianity, having been one, having seen how Christians are like online and offline, i see no reason to believe your threat of hellfire. I'm not scared of your hell because there isn't an evidence for one, but you're trying to indimidate people into being afraid which is what i find rather annoying and is very abusive when you do this to children.
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« Reply #229 on: May 03, 2012, 11:53:00 AM »
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The one you refer to as "God" is named "YHWH". I know. I gave him that name. When you die you will not answer to him. You will answer to Me. My decisions overrule any of My children's.
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Silly devil my soul belong to Jesus.  Be gone from me for I dod not know you. 

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« Reply #230 on: May 03, 2012, 11:56:39 AM »
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No, that is a threat. It's not a good comparison here, when you're warning a child not to touch the stove, you're trying to watch out for them, but what you're doing is this, "Believe or burn!" That is a threat. If i held a gun to your head and said, "Believe what i tell you or i shoot," that's a threat and that's what you're doing.

No we are trying to watch out for you.  sorry you don't get it.

I am not forcing you to do anything.  You have the choice.  You have eternal life either way,  you get to choose where you go. If you perceive believe or die as someone with a gun to your head I am sorry.  however it is that serious because it is fact not superstition 

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Re: Demon Possession
« Reply #231 on: May 03, 2012, 11:57:04 AM »
Lucifer[1] is our true God and Zathar is his son, who is flying across galaxies to save them from the great Quasars.

Care to prove to us how this is false?
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Seppuku, if Zathar revealed himself to you, then we have a problem. I'm going to talk it over with him. He's supposed to handle the next galaxy over, not this one. However, the answer to your question is yes - Zathar is real. He's just not supposed to reveal himself here.
Also, note that I have children in numbers beyond your comprehension. Every god in every religion is My child; not just Zathar.

So you're a space pimp? Well played.


I think Zathar was just rather a bit concerned with the fact nobody on this planet believed in him. I guess all this malarkey about Yahweh pushed him over the edge? Don't be too hard on him, I'm sure he meant well.

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Silly devil my soul belong to Jesus.  Be gone from me for I dod not know you.

How do you know he's the devil? Wouldn't it be so like the devil to create 3 religions believing in the same God and have them fight amongst themselves? Jesus is the spawn of the devil, the bible is the devil's word not God, isn't that right Lucifer?
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