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Tennessee says A-OK to Creationism in Science Classes
« on: April 12, 2012, 02:52:53 AM »
Well, (smacks lips), I believe we can cross off Tennessee as a formidable state to visit.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-tennessee-creationism-classroom-20120411,0,3437550.story

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The measure will allow classroom debates over evolution, permitting discussions of creationism alongside evolutionary teachings about the origins of life. Critics say the law, disparagingly called "The Monkey Bill," will plunge Tennessee back to the divisive days of the notorious Scopes "Monkey Trial’’ in Dayton, Tenn., in 1925.

Gov. Bill Haslam refused Tuesday to sign the bill, saying it would create confusion over schools’ science curriculum. But the bill became law anyway. Haslam said he decided not to use his veto power, because the Legislature had the votes to override a veto. The measure passed by a 3-to-1 margin.

Let's make sure these Tennessee kids don't get accepted to med school. Let 'em sweep a church, all they'll be qualified for.

But it's a blue state, so what'd ya expect?
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Re: Tennessee says A-OK to Creationism in Science Classes
« Reply #1 on: April 12, 2012, 03:13:17 AM »
as an observer

this certainly seems as though it needs to be set to some fine hick banjo picking background music

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Re: Tennessee says A-OK to Creationism in Science Classes
« Reply #2 on: April 12, 2012, 03:45:54 AM »
All right then:

Come and listen to a story 'bout a-Tennessee
Don't learn the evolution
Say god did it for me
And then write to Santa Claus
the Easter Bunny too
Ya can't get into college
And then they won't let you sue

Schools, that is...
Bible class, scripture prep
No test tubes now, hear?

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Re: Tennessee says A-OK to Creationism in Science Classes
« Reply #3 on: April 12, 2012, 09:34:52 AM »
It's just following tradition in the Scopes state.

Competing with Kentucky. How is the Ark coming along? I heard 2 million for the Interstate exit.

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Re: Tennessee says A-OK to Creationism in Science Classes
« Reply #4 on: April 12, 2012, 04:55:37 PM »
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The state’s teachers are not allowed to raise alternatives to evolution but, under the new law, would be required to permit discussion of creationism and other beliefs if they are raised in class.

Such discussions would eventually shift to the teacher to raising alternatives to evolution. The bill hasn't been clearly thought through.

I grew up in Tennessee and it is filled with religious nutjobs in the classroom who reject evolution and big bang cosmology, and instead of accepting the facts that go against their religious dogma those nutjobs ignore it. Chances are these 'discussions' will shift to the science teacher leading the discussions, which in turn will be he or she discussing biblical creationism, which in turn leads to the science teacher somehow showing support a scientific theory or scientific myth. Then who are the young minds going to listen too? The science teacher or the science textbooks discussing evolution being taught to them by a teacher who rejects the theory.

Arg, this pisses me off! Way to take a step back Tennessee.  Get out of the fucking dark ages.

Here's an idea:

Student: Teacher, I don't get it. I thought god created the heavens and the earth and all its animals and mankind.
Teacher: Talk to me after class.

It seems reasonable to me. In the science room, discuss science. It's not that hard. Don't make a law take time away from an actually scientific discussion to talk about a myth.
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Re: Tennessee says A-OK to Creationism in Science Classes
« Reply #5 on: April 12, 2012, 05:46:13 PM »
If I was a teacher in TN I would resign before I would let ignorant morans dictate my curriculum.
Extraordinary claims of the bible don't even have ordinary evidence.

Kids aren't paying attention most of the time in science classes so it seems silly to get worked up over ID being taught in schools.

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Re: Tennessee says A-OK to Creationism in Science Classes
« Reply #6 on: April 12, 2012, 06:03:49 PM »
The article mentioned climate change but will students be allowed to bring up criticisms to all scientific conclusions?  Will teachers need to explain that a god doesn't hold the planets in their orbits and so on?
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Re: Tennessee says A-OK to Creationism in Science Classes
« Reply #7 on: April 12, 2012, 06:14:26 PM »
When the only people practicing medicine in TN are foreign doctors from China and India, the people will complain about it. Buddhists and Hindus and Sikhs, oh my! But what do they expect when you are making sure the people growing up in your state are not qualified for science-related careers?

You can't ask educated US people to move to a backward state where their children are not going to get a quality education. We are already educating in the next generation of Asian scientists here because many US kids are not prepared for advanced science curriculums, and somebody needs to be in those university classes. Just wait until this new crop of US ignoramuses tries to compete in the high-tech world.
Extraordinary claims of the bible don't even have ordinary evidence.

Kids aren't paying attention most of the time in science classes so it seems silly to get worked up over ID being taught in schools.

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Re: Tennessee says A-OK to Creationism in Science Classes
« Reply #8 on: April 12, 2012, 06:15:22 PM »
If I was a teacher in TN I would resign before I would let ignorant morans dictate my curriculum.

I hear ya. 

And bad timing with the spelling mistake  ;D
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Re: Tennessee says A-OK to Creationism in Science Classes
« Reply #9 on: April 12, 2012, 06:25:31 PM »
If I was a teacher in TN I would resign before I would let ignorant morans dictate my curriculum.

I hear ya. 

And bad timing with the spelling mistake  ;D

It was intentional.

Know your memes, dude. Know your memes, or GTF off the internets.
You believe evolution and there is no evidence for that. Where is the fossil record of a half man half ape. I've only ever heard about it in reading.

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Re: Tennessee says A-OK to Creationism in Science Classes
« Reply #10 on: April 12, 2012, 06:58:03 PM »
I wonder if they can teach them that molecules have parts?

I was on  board somewhere and the two creationists did not know that molecules have shape. They thought all atoms were flat, like a solar system.

Speaking of this Tennessee item, I wrote the story already in October, only I though it was going to be Kentucky first:
http://teroreport.blogspot.com/2011/10/science-determined-to-be-just-liberal.html
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Re: Tennessee says A-OK to Creationism in Science Classes
« Reply #11 on: April 12, 2012, 07:17:04 PM »
Or flat like the planet.
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Re: Tennessee says A-OK to Creationism in Science Classes
« Reply #12 on: April 12, 2012, 10:20:09 PM »
If I was a teacher in TN I would resign before I would let ignorant morans dictate my curriculum.

I hear ya. 

And bad timing with the spelling mistake  ;D

It was intentional.

Know your memes, dude. Know your memes, or GTF off the internets.

Someone please post the pic of the original sign-holding moran.
Extraordinary claims of the bible don't even have ordinary evidence.

Kids aren't paying attention most of the time in science classes so it seems silly to get worked up over ID being taught in schools.

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Re: Tennessee says A-OK to Creationism in Science Classes
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This one?


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Re: Tennessee says A-OK to Creationism in Science Classes
« Reply #14 on: April 13, 2012, 12:22:05 AM »

You can't ask educated US people to move to a backward state where their children are not going to get a quality education. We are already educating in the next generation of Asian scientists here because many US kids are not prepared for advanced science curriculums, and somebody needs to be in those university classes. Just wait until this new crop of US ignoramuses tries to compete in the high-tech world.

They won't allow that to happen. Remember, in a state where evolution doesn't exist, why have an intelligent doctor? :D

From this law, we can infer a lot of things, but I find it interesting that the GOP governor said he won't sign it, but a GROUP of electorates usurped him. That means the majority of reps in the state like to close themselves off to reality.
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Re: Tennessee says A-OK to Creationism in Science Classes
« Reply #15 on: April 13, 2012, 05:39:22 AM »
I'm guessing there won't be a lot of foreign exchange students studying for a year in the state of Tenn.  It would be interesting to see their faces the 1st time creationism is brought up in biology class.
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Re: Tennessee says A-OK to Creationism in Science Classes
« Reply #16 on: April 13, 2012, 10:15:03 AM »
This one?



Yes. Complete with star-studded mullet.
Extraordinary claims of the bible don't even have ordinary evidence.

Kids aren't paying attention most of the time in science classes so it seems silly to get worked up over ID being taught in schools.

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Re: Tennessee says A-OK to Creationism in Science Classes
« Reply #17 on: April 13, 2012, 10:30:18 AM »
technically, that is a star spangled mullet.
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Re: Tennessee says A-OK to Creationism in Science Classes
« Reply #18 on: April 13, 2012, 10:46:37 AM »
technically, that is a star spangled mullet.

I stand corrected. Your way sounds better. Either way, the head rag is squeezing what passes for a brain so tightly that he's become a conservative.
Extraordinary claims of the bible don't even have ordinary evidence.

Kids aren't paying attention most of the time in science classes so it seems silly to get worked up over ID being taught in schools.

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Re: Tennessee says A-OK to Creationism in Science Classes
« Reply #19 on: April 14, 2012, 02:09:12 AM »
I was taught Creationism in college.  And I was never again the same.  Sure, let's teach our kids how we used to live with pet T-Rex's...  Creationism is not a science - it's a lame argument to try and save a lot of Christianity.  But, wth?  I spent plenty of time droning over creationism, and in the end, it made absolutely no sense.  I guess we can teach things that make no sense to children, as long as it has quizzes with funny pictures..

Should we define it as an abstract or picasso-style art class?  Free the spirits!! 
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Re: Tennessee says A-OK to Creationism in Science Classes
« Reply #20 on: April 14, 2012, 03:05:52 AM »
technically, that is a star spangled mullet.



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Re: Tennessee says A-OK to Creationism in Science Classes
« Reply #21 on: April 14, 2012, 09:15:50 AM »
I was taught Creationism in college.  And I was never again the same.  Sure, let's teach our kids how we used to live with pet T-Rex's...  Creationism is not a science - it's a lame argument to try and save a lot of Christianity.  But, wth?  I spent plenty of time droning over creationism, and in the end, it made absolutely no sense.  I guess we can teach things that make no sense to children, as long as it has quizzes with funny pictures..

Should we define it as an abstract or picasso-style art class?  Free the spirits!!

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Re: Tennessee says A-OK to Creationism in Science Classes
« Reply #22 on: April 14, 2012, 10:43:48 AM »
I don't want to seem alarmist or anything, but this is pretty much the way the rest of the country is starting to see conservatives where it comes to education.




This isn't really a productive direction for the country to go in, I'm thinking.
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Re: Tennessee says A-OK to Creationism in Science Classes
« Reply #23 on: April 14, 2012, 10:49:25 AM »
I don't want to seem alarmist or anything, but this is pretty much the way the rest of the country planet is starting to see sees conservatives where it comes to education.
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Re: Tennessee says A-OK to Creationism in Science Classes
« Reply #24 on: April 14, 2012, 05:15:56 PM »
I was taught Creationism in college.  And I was never again the same.  Sure, let's teach our kids how we used to live with pet T-Rex's...  Creationism is not a science - it's a lame argument to try and save a lot of Christianity.  But, wth?  I spent plenty of time droning over creationism, and in the end, it made absolutely no sense.  I guess we can teach things that make no sense to children, as long as it has quizzes with funny pictures..

Should we define it as an abstract or picasso-style art class?  Free the spirits!!

I love this! I'm voting for calling it "DaVinci Creation". Shit, as you can tell from my avatar, Jesus wasn't even white. Still, I've heard arguments for creationism where Jeebus rides a dinosaur. For young boys and girls, this makes him COOL! How many other historic personalities do hear about riding a dino, huh? Huh? Not even MOSES had one! :D

Christianity/creationism has become nothing more than a plush toy that you've convinced yourself is real, can talk, and has a job as a robocop. Just say you believe, then give any qualities to the established characters whenever you want!

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Re: Tennessee says A-OK to Creationism in Science Classes
« Reply #25 on: April 14, 2012, 05:23:45 PM »
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You must've gotten drunk as hell just to do the homework on this course, Jeremy. I would've had to too!

actually, i was getting *stoned.  That was my great mistake...   :-X
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Re: Tennessee says A-OK to Creationism in Science Classes
« Reply #26 on: April 14, 2012, 05:28:52 PM »
I was taught Creationism in college.  And I was never again the same.  Sure, let's teach our kids how we used to live with pet T-Rex's...  Creationism is not a science - it's a lame argument to try and save a lot of Christianity.  But, wth?  I spent plenty of time droning over creationism, and in the end, it made absolutely no sense.  I guess we can teach things that make no sense to children, as long as it has quizzes with funny pictures..

Should we define it as an abstract or picasso-style art class?  Free the spirits!!

I love this! I'm voting for calling it "DaVinci Creation". Shit, as you can tell from my avatar, Jesus wasn't even white. Still, I've heard arguments for creationism where Jeebus rides a dinosaur. For young boys and girls, this makes him COOL! How many other historic personalities do hear about riding a dino, huh? Huh? Not even MOSES had one! :D

Christianity/creationism has become nothing more than a plush toy that you've convinced yourself is real, can talk, and has a job as a robocop. Just say you believe, then give any qualities to the established characters whenever you want!

You must've gotten drunk as hell just to do the homework on this course, Jeremy. I would've had to too! :)
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« Reply #27 on: April 14, 2012, 05:37:06 PM »
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Hello...what about Fred Flintstone???
Yes!  If we are going to teach Creationism we may as well make things like Fred Flinstone, The Jetsons, and Futurama core curriculum...   ;D
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« Reply #28 on: April 15, 2012, 06:25:08 PM »
At least we can see how the stuff in the Jetsons might actually be true.
Extraordinary claims of the bible don't even have ordinary evidence.

Kids aren't paying attention most of the time in science classes so it seems silly to get worked up over ID being taught in schools.