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Co.Inkadink:
--- Quote from: Alzael on April 14, 2012, 07:32:58 PM ---
--- Quote from: Co.Inkadink on April 14, 2012, 06:32:31 PM ---To me calling my question irrelevant is dismissing it.
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Ah, I see. "To you" it was a dismissal.
That still doesn't justify your statement and the implications made in it. You implied that I had outright dismissed all of your arguments. Instead the only example you show is a part where I said that a question you made that was entirely irrelevant to the issue being talked about was irrelevant. Interesting viewpoint.
But ok, I'll give you this one and concede that such a statement could have potentially been considered a dismissal. Do you then agree that your implication that I had dismissed everything you said was made in error?
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I said.
If he's already dismissed my arguments before I make them it's pretty certain he's not going to concede anything.That's IF. I guess well see.
--- Quote from: Alzael on April 14, 2012, 07:32:58 PM ---And while we're on that subject should we talk about your dismissals of other peoples points/questions? Or the ones that you outright refused to respond to (made by several members so far)? Because I'm pretty sure that your list is WAY longer. And don't bother trying to play the "no time" card. You've already admitted that you're doing it at least partly on purpose, so that ship has sailed.
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Listen I haven't refused anything. If anyone wants to bring up points again I'll answer them, I'm even going to use some of these posts in the other threads and I asked people to PM me if it was off topic and I'd join another debate thread and talk about it there.
I have a few questions "rhetorical" What's the big hurry here? I'll probably discuss every topic mentioned in this thread and then some in the future. Is this forum going to disappear tomorrow or something? Is it possible that I would like to think things through rather than coming up with a knee jerk response to hush people? I'm developing the Slavery thread on my word processor, I want to make it bulletproof if possible. I posted 3 links to the historical Bible stuff to pacify you and you had a victory parade like you had won a great war when they turned up lame.
I'm not going to just be emotional and post I'm trying to think it through.
rickymooston:
--- Quote from: Co.Inkadink on April 14, 2012, 06:05:37 PM --- I have read some Hitchens, Dawkins and Erhman, I've listened to debates with all of them and Sam Harris and others and have read up on Stephen Hawking.I love Hitchens, and Erhman and strongly dislike Dawkins.
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Wow. That's interesting. I always thoughts Hitchen's would be less objectionable.
--- Quote from: Co.Inkadink on April 14, 2012, 06:05:37 PM ---If the thread is about slavery I'm going to talk about slavery and if people bring up other topics I'll just keep pushing on with the subject at hand.
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This is normal in every forum. You can simply say, off topic and if the side topic is interesting enough, somebody can spawn another thread.
Oh and yes, its o.k. if you dont reply to 20 walls of text. :o
--- Quote from: Co.Inkadink on April 14, 2012, 06:05:37 PM --- Alzael said he'd heard it all before anyway so it's kind of a waste of time.
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Lol. You can say this with any argument about religion. Most of the theological arguments have been around for a long time. :o I would not worry about his claim. If he's "heard it all before" and he feels like it, he will provide time honoured responses.
Alzael:
--- Quote from: Co.Inkadink on April 14, 2012, 07:55:52 PM ---
If he's already dismissed my arguments before I make them it's pretty certain he's not going to concede anything.
That's IF. I guess well see.
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Considering your previous history. That you really just meant "if" is highly unlikely.
--- Quote from: Co.Inkadink on April 14, 2012, 07:55:52 PM ---Listen I haven't refused anything. If anyone wants to bring up points again I'll answer them, I'm even going to use some of these posts in the other threads and I asked people to PM me if it was off topic and I'd join another debate thread and talk about it there.
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Funny, because I remember what you said the last time that you were here. Let's refresh our memories with one of the last posts from your previous stay here, before your rather long leave of abscence.
--- Quote from: Co.Inkadink on July 06, 2011, 11:06:24 PM ---
--- Quote from: Azdgari on July 06, 2011, 10:46:21 PM ---So you don't understand that you were being intellectually dishonest?
Or you do understand that, and don't understand how it would make someone angry?
I would appreciate it if you didn't ignore the pertinent points I made in my post.
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No I wasn't being intellectually dishonest.
I haven't ignored anything. I have to process some of the things you and others have said, I may think about it awhile and get back to you later.
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And
--- Quote from: Co.Inkadink on July 06, 2011, 11:06:24 PM ---I'm going to take my time though. I'm about to log off for a while because I have a life.
I hope to continue this discussion and others later.
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That time too, you left a long list of unanswered or unresponded to questions or points. That time too you said that you had to take the time to process them. That was a little under a year ago that you took off like that. Did it really take you that long to process all of those.
You're even behaving in the exact same way. You started with an unsubstantiated statement of opinion. In fact I note that you asked a lot of the same questions then that you're asking now. Questions that were answerd by the people here, by the way. I also note that you dodged and avoided a lot of the same issues when they came up. Such as the question that Aaron has been asking about the babies. That came up in the previous thread. You then moved onto blanket claims about atheists. Then after you got shot down you started ignoring issues and making claims about not having time and how you wanted to take some time to think.
Like I said nothing new. You're even using the same arguments as last time. Or trying to at least.
--- Quote from: Co.Inkadink on July 06, 2011, 11:06:24 PM ---I have a few questions "rhetorical" What's the big hurry here?
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I'd like an answer before your next upcoming disappearance act. Which should be soon if your history is any indication.
--- Quote from: Co.Inkadink on July 06, 2011, 11:06:24 PM --- I'll probably discuss every topic mentioned in this thread and then some in the future.
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Both your current behaviour and your history say otherwise.
--- Quote from: Co.Inkadink on July 06, 2011, 11:06:24 PM ---Is it possible that I would like to think things through rather than coming up with a knee jerk response to hush people?
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Possible. But if you really did spend the better part of a year doing that, and you could only come up with the same stuff you used last time.......
--- Quote from: Co.Inkadink on July 06, 2011, 11:06:24 PM ---I'm not going to just be emotional and post I'm trying to think it through.
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Of course you are.
rickymooston:
--- Quote from: Alzael on April 14, 2012, 08:45:28 PM ---
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Alzael, perhaps I'm missing something but when a typical theist comes here, they are confronted with several posts per thread.
The posts in the thread are walls of text.
I think, its unrealistic to expect any human with a life to reply to all those texts. Certainly, if I were in his place and right now I don't have a life, I'd only respond to a few of them.
I was just trying to respond to one of these posts, Velkyn's. A careful response would take far too much time.
Now to be far, perhaps walls of text begat walls of text; i.e., the OPs may not have been short either.
Alzael:
--- Quote from: rickymooston on April 15, 2012, 12:02:05 AM ---Alzael, perhaps I'm missing something but when a typical theist comes here, they are confronted with several posts per thread.
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You are missing something, several somethings actually.
The first being that this is a clear pattern of behaviour of him. As I pointed out, he did this last time as well. Used that exact same excuse to avoid having to answer anything before he took off after making all of his spurious claims. The same questions that were asked then are being asked now, and he's still claiming that he needs time to think up an answer to them.
The second thing being that aside from the slavery thing he's not actually being asked to respond to much. Aarons question, for example, which has been repeated about three times so far; was just a simple yes or no question. There's no real excuse for not getting to it when asked repeatedly over several pages unless he just didn't want to answer for his claims. Which he clearly doesn't.
The third thing is that issues like the slavery thing were brought up back on the second page of this thread. He's been outright dodging it for the last four pages. It's not like this is something that just came up. He's been failing to respond to his own claims on this and other issues for days. He's gone on to make further claims in the meantime, however. So apparently he does have time to make new claims, but not enough time to answer for his old ones. Hell look at his last five posts. His last five posts were all spent making excuses for why he hasn't responded to the issues he himself has raised. Instead of, you know, responding to the issues that were raised.
The fourth is that he's outright stated that he's purposefully not answering certain things. Those "things" seem to be the exact things that are holding him to account for his own words. Like the slavery issue, which he keeps saying that he's going to start another thread on. Which is pointless since the issue is relevant to what he's said in this thread. He was the one who was defending slavery in the first place as being more or less ok. It's only once he got called on the claim that it became irrelevant to the conversation and needed it's own thread. Which was about three of four days ago.
So no, in his case I don't buy "no time" as an excuse.
Edit: One important thing that I forgot to mention. One of the main reasons that I generally don't buy it when a theist like Dink tries to claim a lack of time is because they were never trying to engage in an honest discussion from the beginning. If I actually thought for a second that Dink actually intended to have a reasonable discussion here I would have no problem with letting him take his time to formulate a well-thought out response. But he started out making unsupported claims, disengenuous and rather condescending comments, lies, and ignoring points that showed him wrong.
He's just messing around and wasting everyones time.
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