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My Opinion on WWGHA?
Alzael:
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--- Quote from: Alzael on April 14, 2012, 12:55:33 AM ---Seriously, those sites of Dinks are bad even by Christian standards.
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Indeed. I commend you for your effort in going through that. It was too painful for me to endure to write a significant rebuttal. You know, when things like that happen, I almost feel betrayed. Here I am, perfectly willing to give any evidence its due consideration, and hoping to be challenged, and be presented with something new, intriguing, and revolutionary. Then we are offered garbage like that.
It's kind of like someone inviting you over for dinner, wanting to show off their culinary skills, only when the dish is put on the table, it's rotting coleslaw. Or having a car dealer tell you about this wonderful car they have and can offer you cheap, then he presents you with a rusted out Dodge Omni. What really scares me, though, is the volume of people who apparently read such terrible arguments and say "You know what? They're RIGHT! OF COURSE! Hallelujah, praise the Lord!". THAT is scary.
While such arguments might be really effective for intellectual giants like Sarah Palin, they really are not appropriate for a serious discussion.
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I agree, fortunately now that my brains stopped crying and is no longer threatening to secede from the rest of my body it actually felt kind of good to go through it and analyze it like that in thread. I used to do that a lot more once upon a time. I think I stopped because I just no longer had the time to go at it that in-depth.
Co.Inkadink:
Hey everybody I just googled History and the Bible and read a few links. But hey I hear Answers in Genesis has some good arguments. I was going to use that one but someone already mentioned it and I thought they would just shoot it down.
My favorites are Greg Koukl, Frank Turek, Norm Geisler, and William Lane Craig but rather than just link to their individual sited and articles I'd rather just put stuff in my own words unless I think they can say it briefly and succinctly.
I haven't argued these points and I'm not going to regroup and read books and come back. I haven't even started arguing any points really. I know what I want to say, I have read some Hitchens, Dawkins and Erhman, I've listened to debates with all of them and Sam Harris and others and have read up on Stephen Hawking. I love Hitchens, and Erhman and strongly dislike Dawkins. but I guess I'll abandon this thread and move on to one of the other subjects. I want to keep it all under one roof. It's difficult enough to keep up on this thread. I'm probably not going to answer every question I'm asked either. If the thread is about slavery I'm going to talk about slavery and if people bring up other topics I'll just keep pushing on with the subject at hand. Alzael said he'd heard it all before anyway so it's kind of a waste of time. If he's already dismissed my arguments before I make them it's pretty certain he's not going to concede anything. I will say there are a few atheists here who seem reasonable and logical and I'd love to continue talking to you.
I'm sorry it's taken so long for me to start the other threads. I work a full time job mon-fri 730pm to 330am I have 3 kids 11, 9, and 8 and I am an artist on the side so it's difficult to devote a lot of time to this. I've done this for years just not here. I don't see what the big hurry is seeing this site isn't going anywhere. I'm off on the weekends so I'll start some stuff tonight after the kids go to bed.
If anyone wants me to answer specific questions that I didn't get to on this thread I apologize I was going to go through page by page and answer some of them but 2 subjects keeping popping up and I suppose I need to discuss them. PM me if you want to drift and maybe we can work it in or I can join another thread on the topic.
I like talking about this stuff, I want to learn how to communicate better and that is my goal to do it in a kind way if possible.
Alzael:
--- Quote from: Co.Inkadink on April 14, 2012, 06:05:37 PM --- I'm probably not going to answer every question I'm asked either. If the thread is about slavery I'm going to talk about slavery and if people bring up other topics I'll just keep pushing on with the subject at hand.
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In other words you're trying to excuse yourself from having to answer to the claims you've made so far. And are trying to do so for the claims you'll make in the future as well. Typical.
--- Quote from: Co.Inkadink on April 14, 2012, 06:05:37 PM ---Alzael said he'd heard it all before anyway so it's kind of a waste of time. If he's already dismissed my arguments before I make them it's pretty certain he's not going to concede anything.
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That's because I've heard all of your arguments before. Everyone here has. It's not a matter of dismissing the arguments before you make them. It's a matter of you presenting arguments that were proven wrong and dismissed long ago.
Those sites that you listed had arguments that were pathetic. And it's not even a theist thing. I've seen theists make better arguments a lot better than that. They were listing Tacitus and Josephus for crying out loud. Those two have been well-known fakes for at least a decade or two. You could have checked wikipedia and found that out. It's all over the place. I'm three days short of thirty and you're using arguments that were proven wrong when I was a child. Don't blame me for dismissing your arguments, they came pre-packaged for dismissal.
As a final note I would like to point something out. Your statement is a lie, and one I take offense at. I spent over two hours last night going over that unfilterd shit you threw out over the forum. And I pointed out it's failings piece by piece, which is far more than you have bothered to do with ANY piece of evidence presented by anyone else about anything to date. Those links that you jokingly touted as "scientific" evidence was not dismissed in anyway. It was rebutted. What you are attempting to do now is a dismissal. A dismissal of all the work I've put into this back and forth so far. Whether it's the time I spent on the link, or the time I spent pointing out the flaws in your views on slavery, you've simply dismissed all of that out of hand. Where exactly have I outright dismissed your arguments?
Co.Inkadink:
--- Quote from: Alzael on April 14, 2012, 06:24:36 PM --- Where exactly have I outright dismissed your arguments?
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--- Quote from: Alzael on April 10, 2012, 04:39:46 PM ---
--- Quote from: Co.Inkadink on April 10, 2012, 04:35:29 PM ---Irrelevant if slavery was right or wrong then. It is wrong now.
--- Quote --- And why is it wrong? By what standard?
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As I said, irrelevant question.
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To me calling my question irrelevant is dismissing it.
Alzael:
--- Quote from: Co.Inkadink on April 14, 2012, 06:32:31 PM ---To me calling my question irrelevant is dismissing it.
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Ah, I see. "To you" it was a dismissal.
That still doesn't justify your statement and the implications made in it. You implied that I had outright dismissed all of your arguments. Instead the only example you show is a part where I said that a question you made that was entirely irrelevant to the issue being talked about was irrelevant. Interesting viewpoint.
But ok, I'll give you this one and concede that such a statement could have potentially been considered a dismissal. Do you then agree that your implication that I had dismissed everything you said was made in error?
And while we're on that subject should we talk about your dismissals of other peoples points/questions? Or the ones that you outright refused to respond to (made by several members so far)? Because I'm pretty sure that your list is WAY longer. And don't bother trying to play the "no time" card. You've already admitted that you're doing it at least partly on purpose, so that ship has sailed.
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