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Re: Pornography
« Reply #58 on: March 22, 2012, 07:45:11 AM »
Just for the record, you are all currently discussing a video that I uploaded. The video is relevant to the discussion, and thought provoking. What does this mean?

It means that I am now officially a constructive member of this forum. I feel very proud of myself.

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« Reply #59 on: March 22, 2012, 07:49:32 AM »
I am sure you all know my opinion on the matter but I will mention it anyway - it is disgusting, no matter what people believe. There are certain types of it for men too, not just women, it should not even exist, it is just a horrible waste of time.
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« Reply #60 on: March 22, 2012, 07:52:14 AM »
Just for the record, you are all currently discussing a video that I uploaded. The video is relevant to the discussion, and thought provoking. What does this mean?

It means that I am now officially a constructive member of this forum. I feel very proud of myself.

It took you quite a while to get 1 topic that people are discussing instead of complaining about you, at least you did one thing that makes a purpose on this forum.
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« Reply #61 on: March 22, 2012, 07:57:28 AM »
Thanks for the compliment, Samuel. But what's so bad about porn anyway?

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Re: Pornography
« Reply #62 on: March 22, 2012, 08:48:58 AM »
I am sure you all know my opinion on the matter but I will mention it anyway - it is disgusting, no matter what people believe. There are certain types of it for men too, not just women, it should not even exist, it is just a horrible waste of time.

Many of us know from past threads that you are asexual and find sex in general disgusting.
It's disgusting to you and it's a horrible waste of time for you. Conclusion ... don't fucking watch it. End of story.

Don't you dare suggest that it should simply not exist at all just because you don't like it.
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« Reply #63 on: March 22, 2012, 08:50:33 AM »
Don't presume to suggest that it should simply not exist at all just because you don't like it.

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« Reply #64 on: March 22, 2012, 10:59:46 AM »
But if your sons.........double standard here?   :laugh:

If I had any sons I am sure I would be just as protective.
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« Reply #65 on: March 22, 2012, 11:24:07 AM »
But if your sons.........double standard here?   :laugh:

If I had any sons I am sure I would be just as protective.

As if years of cultural indoctrination and social pressure could be undone as easily as that. Not to mention, its alot harder to harass somebody who has the physical capability to fight back and will actually be chastised for "losing"(cheated).

There's a huge amount of social pressure out there forcing men to be better than women and belittling any man that is bettered by a woman(if a woman gets cheated, you as a man ought be better than that). Do you seriously think you are going to let your son be humiliated by not being better than a woman? Its a lose lose situation.
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« Reply #66 on: March 22, 2012, 12:45:21 PM »
Frank, I respectfully disagree.  While there are certainly many women who enjoy their work in the sex industry, a small percentage of whom might be considered “big earners,” the sex industry continues to be a place where women are often exploited. 


Your logic is lost on me. I don't expect the vast majority of porn performers to be in it all their working lives. It's casual work. You make a bit of money doing something you usually do for free and you move on. If you are so concerned about women being exploited I would suggest you look at the retail business. Working unsocial hours doing mind numbing work for peanuts. Hardly any benefits and the possibility of being fired if you get pregnant.

I'm not surprised some women choose porn. You can earn more in that industry in six months than you can earn in ten years of "respectable" work in some crappy supermarket.
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« Reply #67 on: March 22, 2012, 01:06:54 PM »
Legal pornography is voluntary. The participants are there because they want to be there.
People objectify people.

Define voluntary. Do you mean it's something they want to do? Or is it perhaps something they do as a despearte last resort to earn money?

It is a much more honourable profession than lyin fer the lard.
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« Reply #68 on: March 22, 2012, 01:10:58 PM »
And how would viewing porn which some poor girl made out of desperation sit with you? (and others)

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« Reply #69 on: March 22, 2012, 01:23:20 PM »
Just make sure to wear your trench coat when you sit in the theater.

You ever go see the Naughty Gallaghers Ass Capades? Image G.W.A.R. on roller skates and performing xxx sex acts on stage.
Homo-erotic necrophilia. The strangest and most disturbing thing about the show is that it's set to traditional polka music.

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« Reply #70 on: March 22, 2012, 01:31:08 PM »
I'm sure some people claim porn is an honorable profession and if you're bringing home the bacon in the porn industry and feeding your family it sure beats ripping off the elderly with shit like phony roofing scams and so on. Nobody will tune in and masturbate to some fat slob conning grandma out of her pension check... oh wait.. 60 minutes and other " news".. :?
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« Reply #71 on: March 22, 2012, 01:54:30 PM »

One of my work mates was actually bemoaning the fact that kids today don't have to go to as much trouble as he did to look at nude chicks.

What is it with the religious and their obsession with other people's sex lives? Does the thought that somewhere, someone is enjoying themselves turn on the religious rage?

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Since we supposedly obsess most about what we can't or don't have, I guess xtians have shitty sex lives and absolutely no control over their own lives (you know, because gawd's in charge).

Sex and control. Xtians don't have either and they WANT it. some. kinda. bad. Since gawd took sex and control from them, they want to take sex and control from the rest of us.

http://www.ex-christian.net/topic/35934-christians-are-sex-obsessed-control-freaks/
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« Reply #72 on: March 22, 2012, 02:18:37 PM »
I read somewhere, probably alternet, not sure, but Romania had a huge child molestation problem until they legalized child porn.. The rates of reported children getting raped dropped dramatically and it's believed the reason being is its that it's much safer sitting at home jerking off on a tissue than to be out actually raping kids.. makes sense on a certain level i suppose.

Hmmm.......are you sure about this? Because,

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Romania

Pornography is legal in Romania. Magazines must be enclosed in plastic bags (or something equivalent) with a small red square printed on the enclosing material. Pornographic TV channels offered by cable operators must be encrypted. Pornographic materials cannot be sold to minors under 18. Also, porn actors and actresses must be at least 18 years of age.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pornography_by_region#Romania

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Romania battles child pornography

http://www.eeagrants.org/id/1334
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« Reply #73 on: March 22, 2012, 02:38:38 PM »
It may have been another eastern European country or might have been written as a lie, but I did read about it... REALLY!
I have no beef with Romania.
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« Reply #74 on: March 22, 2012, 05:12:17 PM »

What is it with the religious and their obsession with other people's sex lives?

Are you interested only in your own sex life?
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« Reply #75 on: March 22, 2012, 07:45:17 PM »

What is it with the religious and their obsession with other people's sex lives?

Are you interested only in your own sex life?

Lets put it another way. Do you think anyone else is interested in yours?

This is the point. Those who appear to have an unhealthy interest in what other people get up to don't seem quite so keen when other people take an interest in their bedroom antics. Presumably you're a consenting adult and I'm sure you consider that what you get up to with other consenting adults is nobodies business but your own. Well maybe bible thumpers and god botherers should be kind enough to extend the same courtesy to everyone else. I don't think that's too much to ask.
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« Reply #76 on: March 23, 2012, 04:22:44 AM »
I'm a big fan of porn, but I've just come across (if you pardon the pun) this :



And this : http://www.thepinkcross.org/

And this : http://www.shelleylubben.com

And I'm shocked. I didn't realise it was like that. But I'm not against porn itself. A distinction has to be made between the hollywood / Vegas type of porn, and other types. It's like comparing hollywood movies with good, independent movies, and the same applies to the music industry. I feel bad about what I've just read but porn itself is good, if done nicely. Unfortunately often it's not.

But why do they believe that pornography is one of the most exploitative industries? I can see why these two women are so eager to make men feel guilty for watching porn and I do sympathize with them, but I'd like to ask them the following questions:

When they fly with a plane, do they feel sorry for all the airport staff members who breathe in a big amount of toxic lead, day in and day out?
When they travel on a highway, do they feel sorry for all the people who simply worked their asses in very heavy conditions for its construction?
Do they feel sorry all minors?

All these people, literally ruin their health on a daily basis, and I doubt it that they truly enjoy it. But with very little remorse, we all take advantage of the fruits of their self-sacrificing labor.

And why is that? It's because we know that someone has to do it! We simply can't blame ourselves for every imperfection of our society. The reality we live in simply demands from us to exploit other people and submit ourselves to exploitation. The only way we could change this is to work for the improvement of our society. So far, the scientific method is the only method that is proven to be effective in achieving this. The method of prayer and the method of making people feel guilty – the methods that the two ladies on the video use – are not proven to be effective!

And for those ladies it would be hard to convince me that doing porn is a much “filthier” job than many other “regular” 21st century jobs.

Being a porn actor cannot be yuckier than working in the forensic medicine, or working in a farm.
Being a porn actor cannot be more dangerous than being a police officer, or working on a construction.
Being a porn actor cannot be more frowned upon than being a tax inspector, or a lawyer who defends ruthless criminals.

Certainly, being a porn actor is not the best profession in the world, but after all it's just a job. As long as it is legal, it's just a common 20th/21st century profession.  And it it's funny how the moment I realized this, was the moment I stopped being interested in porn, because there is not much sexual excitement in watching people who simply do their job.
     
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« Reply #77 on: March 23, 2012, 04:36:03 AM »
Just some typical porn stars with typical porn star backgrounds...you know...

http://www.buzzfeed.com/hustlermagazine/top-10-smartest-porn-stars-2a2b
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« Reply #78 on: March 23, 2012, 06:28:50 AM »
Thanks for the compliment, Samuel. But what's so bad about porn anyway?

It is just disgusting. It makes one feel unclean. I would be fine with it existing if it was not all around me, I don't wanna see people having sex every single day even when I wake up in the morning.
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« Reply #79 on: March 23, 2012, 06:47:13 AM »
It is just disgusting, IMO. It makes one me feel unclean.

Fixed.

I would be fine with it existing if it was not all around me, I don't wanna see people having sex every single day even when I wake up in the morning.

Then don't download porn and/or don't watch it. It's that simple. Nobody forces you to watch people having sex.
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« Reply #80 on: March 23, 2012, 06:51:49 AM »
Then don't download porn and/or don't watch it. It's that simple. Nobody forces you to watch people having sex.

I know that. Fine I will just move further away from people that are having and talking about sex around me.
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« Reply #81 on: March 23, 2012, 06:54:35 AM »
I know that. Fine I will just move further away from people that are having and talking about sex around me.

Call the cops. I assume your country has laws prohibiting sexual activities in a public place and/or in privately owned property that doesn't belong to at least one of the people involved in said sexual activities.

In case you couldn't tell, I'm being sarcastic. What I'm actually saying is: Stop whining and get over it. Unless you're abused each and every morning, what you're saying is either your fault or a lie. My guess is the latter.
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« Reply #82 on: March 23, 2012, 06:58:39 AM »
It is just disgusting. It makes one feel unclean.

You remind me of a roommate I had once.  I was/am a fan of the cult classic BBC TV show, "The Prisoner".  He hated it and thought it was stupid, and because he felt that way, he couldn't understand why I wanted to watch it.  It wasn't enough for him that he could just let me watch it and not watch it himself; he didn't want me to watch it, either.

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I would be fine with it existing if it was not all around me, I don't wanna see people having sex every single day even when I wake up in the morning.

What in the world kind of circumstances are you living in where you are "see[ing] people having sex every single day even when [you] wake up in the morning"?
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« Reply #83 on: March 23, 2012, 06:59:01 AM »
Call the cops. I assume your country has laws prohibiting sexual activities in a public place and/or in privately owned property that doesn't belong to at least one of the people involved in said sexual activities.



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In case you couldn't tell, I'm being sarcastic. What I'm actually saying is: Stop whining and get over it. Unless you're abused each and every morning, what you're saying is either your fault or a lie. My guess is the latter.

'Get over it?' I would 'get over it' if it didn't happen near me and I did not see it. This is England, there are a lot of people who are obsessed with being stupid and sex. I should not have to hear it every where I go.
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« Reply #84 on: March 23, 2012, 07:00:17 AM »
I was/am a fan of the cult classic BBC TV show, "The Prisoner".

I watched the remake. It was slightly confusing at times, but it was still fucking awesome. :P
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« Reply #85 on: March 23, 2012, 07:01:28 AM »
'Get over it?' I would 'get over it' if it didn't happen near me and I did not see it. This is England, there are a lot of people who are obsessed with being stupid and sex. I should not have to hear it every where I go.

Like I said - your fault or a lie. Last time I checked, England was one of those places where people couldn't have sex in the middle of the street. It was also one of those places where child abuse was against the law.
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« Reply #86 on: March 23, 2012, 07:03:19 AM »
You remind me of a roommate I had once.  I was/am a fan of the cult classic BBC TV show, "The Prisoner".  He hated it and thought it was stupid, and because he felt that way, he couldn't understand why I wanted to watch it.  It wasn't enough for him that he could just let me watch it and not watch it himself; he didn't want me to watch it, either.

The difference in me from him is that I would understand why other people would want to watch it, the body of people with a sexuality may not be able to resist it for some reason.

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What in the world kind of circumstances are you living in where you are "see[ing] people having sex every single day even when [you] wake up in the morning"?

There are unruly children here that do not understand it and think it is funny. The children and even older people think they own everything and believe they may be gods. Other people know the place to act as a zoo. If you came to the city I am in, you would see that.
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