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Re: Santorum: I can't decide
« Reply #87 on: March 29, 2012, 11:12:28 AM »
Or people who might not be liberals, but agree in principle with many of the things that liberals want.
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Re: Santorum: I can't decide
« Reply #88 on: March 29, 2012, 11:57:07 AM »
^^^^I think that is a big part of the problem.

When people are presented with the separate parts of Obamacare (the Affordable Care Act), they are overwhelmingly in favor. Everyone who thinks about it likes keeping kids on their insurance until age 26, not being denied insurance due to pre-existing conditions, no lifetime cap on benefits, no co-pays on basic prevention and screening tests, lowered drug prices for seniors on Medicare .

Obamacare is a rather modest set of new government regulations on the private insurance industry; people/employers still pay for the health insurance; nothing is given out for free.  No government official will be able to deny you chemotherapy, the way health insurance companies can do now for pretty much any reason or no reason. Obamacare is not a "government takeover of your health care". It is not European-style universal health care or single payer like Medicare for all.

But if you ask people, do you approve of Obama's health care plan? The same people say no, because it is a liberal socialist plot to take away our freedom to choose our health care and install death panels to kill grandma.

If someone has an ideological objection to any regulation of the health insurance industry or thinks that the current system is fine as is, that would be one thing. But to object to something just because it is proposed by a Democratic president is pure ignorance.

Especially since Obamacare is the exact same limited govt. intervention health plan Republicans devised 20 years ago in response to the supposedly socialist govt takeover under Hillarycare....and, of course the same plan Romney implemented in MA. How come the liberal media is not telling people this? &)
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Re: Santorum: I can't decide
« Reply #89 on: March 29, 2012, 02:29:49 PM »
How come the liberal media is not telling people this? &)

It's . . . it's almost like the liberal media is behaving as if it isn't a liberal media!  Just like the world behaves as if there's no god!!!

weird.
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Re: Santorum: I can't decide
« Reply #90 on: March 29, 2012, 10:28:44 PM »
Especially since Obamacare is the exact same limited govt. intervention health plan Republicans devised 20 years ago in response to the supposedly socialist govt takeover under Hillarycare....and, of course the same plan Romney implemented in MA. How come the liberal media is not telling people this? &)

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Re: Santorum: I can't decide
« Reply #92 on: March 30, 2012, 01:20:48 PM »
Next time I get asked to support a supper to raise funds for some family's medical needs or called to help some charity working with children's medical stuff like St. Jude's...I am going to say fuck no.  Its every dog for himself now.  You work and take care of your own needs.  Did you support Obamacare?  They will say no 9.99 times out of 10 where I live.  "You could have been covered and would not have to BEG".  So get the fuck off
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Re: Santorum: I can't decide
« Reply #93 on: March 30, 2012, 02:30:01 PM »
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Re: Santorum: I can't decide
« Reply #94 on: April 09, 2012, 12:03:19 PM »
My biggest concern over the republican stooges (aside from Paul, I could 'live' with Paul) is that they're so ridiculous that the people think to themselves, "No one's gonna vote for that guy, surely Obama will win." And then they don't go out and vote and only the right wing die hards do and we end up with a 'lunatic' for a president.

2nd major concern? President's do not run the country, the congress does. (Yeah, I know how the government works.)

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Re: Santorum: I can't decide
« Reply #95 on: April 09, 2012, 01:44:45 PM »
Yeah, besides not voting there is the attempt to restrict voting, big time money to influence voting, and just a hand full of states that will make the difference with the electrol college numbers.  I am having a hard time seeing Romney in the White House but then I thought that about Bush 2 also...that worked out well. :o
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Re: Santorum: I can't decide
« Reply #96 on: April 09, 2012, 08:11:13 PM »
2nd major concern? President's do not run the country, the congress does. (Yeah, I know how the government works.)

Not really.  You know how the government was designed to work.  We haven't had a weak executive in quite some time.

The modern president has almost no effective constraints with respect to foreign affairs and especially with respect to defense.  In addition, the president is the head of the executive branch, which gives them all sorts of leeway in determining how laws are actually implemented.  And while it's technically the legislative branch that's supposed to do the legislating, it's the president that will set most of their agenda.

On a side note, at this point, we know that unless there's some kind of funny business at the convention or it's revealed that Mitt is, as was suspected, a robot or something like that, he's going to be the nominee.  And if his primary campaign is any indication of his strategy going forward, he's going to pepper this country with so many negative ads  that I doubt liberals and left-leaning voters will stay home thinking that they have it wrapped up.


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