Pornography and Human Trafficking; The Atheist Revolution Exposed

[HAL]

You're fucking wrong.  You are trying to connect your bullshit theories to atheism, and you're wrong.  You have failed epically, so try again.

He better show up and defend his OP or it will be the last time he's allowed to start one without a very serious conversation that will occur between me and him.

[Quesi]

Madbunny

This thread was about human trafficking, not prostitution. Human trafficking is forced kidnap and rape. Prostitution is sex for money. Very different. Second, how do you know "the trade of prostitution itself can ever be eradicated" ?

Then I would like you to attempt to create some sort of argument to support your ascertain that there is any connection between atheism and human trafficking. 

You know, I don't believe that there is some shiny afterlife for those who suffer in this life.  I believe that for each of us, this is our one life.  That is why I work to support those who have survived the unthinkable, and to help them recreate their lives and try to move past the horrors that they have experienced. 

Pornography produces the demand for sex slaves?  Bullshit.  Rape and sexual abuse is much more about power than sex. 

So let's talk about human trafficking.  I want to hear what you think you know about the topic, and then I want to hear you try and create some connection between human trafficking and atheism.  Take a whiff of yourself, and see if you have any idea what you are talking about, or if you are just faking some concern about some issue that you know nothing about, and carelessly tossing the blame on us. 

[Tinyal]

Since the Enlightement-atheistic principles of freedom of conscience, censorship has been attacked. When these principles really came into their own demographically, in the United States, during the atheistic sexual revolution of the 60s, pornography has become an epidemic. In their foolish trust in experience and the empty teleological theories of ethics that accompany secular empirical thinkers that cannot see what an action will result with in the future, human trafficking has blossomed out of this atheist movement. Because of evil laws like the First Amendment, pornography has spread into a world wide disease.  Pornography makes people sexually addicted deviants who are willing to purchase forced sex slaves from black markets and pimps. A Christian group has produced a documentary called Sex and Money: http://sexandmoneyfilm.com/.

Take a big whiff of your self atheist. This is what your beliefs have produced. May Thomas Jefferson rot in Hell! Reader, do you know what the primary defense and justification for the legalization of pornography? The First Amendment.

This post is one big pile of bull patty - there is nothing of worth, nor veracity, in any of it.  No facts to support what passes for a conclusion.  Par for the course for this particular poster, of course

[jetson]

I think it's fine when people ramble on with their conspiracy crap, and their warped theories that they connect to something they think is wrong.  But when they keep stomping it onto the forum with nothing but personal opinion, and then refuse to show any evidence that can be even remotely tied to "atheism", that's when I say, tits or GTFO.

[MadBunny]

I'm looking forward to this grand connection that explains human trafficking, pornography, prostitution (or not?) and atheism in one coherent argument.




A marvel lucidity, I'm sure.
Just trying to figure out what pornography *is* in the first place can be a challenge of itself.


*edit, last sentence*.

[Tinyal]

  + 1 for this excellent description: "you have the intellect of a right-wing fundamentalist fox watching limbaugh loving hannity kissing beck sucking jerk"

[Seppuku]

Since the Enlightement-atheistic principles of freedom of conscience, censorship has been attacked. When these principles really came into their own demographically, in the United States, during the atheistic sexual revolution of the 60s, pornography has become an epidemic. In their foolish trust in experience and the empty teleological theories of ethics that accompany secular empirical thinkers that cannot see what an action will result with in the future, human trafficking has blossomed out of this atheist movement. Because of evil laws like the First Amendment, pornography has spread into a world wide disease.  Pornography makes people sexually addicted deviants who are willing to purchase forced sex slaves from black markets and pimps. A Christian group has produced a documentary called Sex and Money: http://sexandmoneyfilm.com/.

Take a big whiff of your self atheist. This is what your beliefs have produced. May Thomas Jefferson rot in Hell! Reader, do you know what the primary defense and justification for the legalization of pornography? The First Amendment.

I'm gonna bite before I head off to bed.

I watched the trailer for Sex and Money, I couldn't see any hints to the things you're talking about.

May Thomas Jefferson rot in Hell!

So you wish for somebody to suffer an eternity of pain and agony? Fuck that. If you think anybody deserves to go to hell then you're very sick. Sure, some people in the world and in the past deserve severe punishments for the crimes they've done and I'm not saying TJ is among them either, but then consider exactly what 'Hell' is. Eventually all the pain and anguish you'v brought onto others will have evened out and if your victims are in heaven, then after you've suffered an equal amount of suffering you've caused, you just keep on suffering...and suffering and suffering...and suffering. Long beyond when the victims could possibly forgive you. Hell really is a fucked up concept, it is no surprise to me that Christians created some of the worst forms of torture in history.


Right, the 'atheistic sex revolution of the 60's'? What on earth is this? Go into more detail. Provide back up too please, I would like to see for myself.

Atheism and its cause for pornography? How exactly? Please be more specific.

Pornography leading to people becoming sexually driven deviants who are willing to hire sex slaves? Based on what?

I know people who would be offended by that, I know couples who watch pornography...I guess it helps with their sex life as I know it's what some couples do. Some pornos can be really poorly acted, a friend put one on as our film night, it wasn't all that graphic, but after a few drinks, it was pretty damn hilarious...for example, they had no concept of the laws of physics. There was no actual sex either, it was just a production of a legal and healthy porno industry, not some illegal compilation of pimps having slaves raped. As not all pornography is done by sex slaves and knowing these friends, they would find watching such a thing to be sick and immoral. There's pornography made by consenting adults that in no way calls for the demand in sexual slavery. Some people like the idea of being in a porno...this isn't limited to atheists I'm afraid. So I want to know exactly what you base this on. Or should I got warn some of my friends and tell them porn is going to force them into sexual deviants buying sex slaves?


Human trafficking is committed by ALL sorts of people, there's no atheistic ideology that supports it, however, there are theistic ones that do.

[Historicity]

Teleological means "having a long range purpose".    "Empirical" has no significance in the sentence.

I said "thinkers that cannot see what an action will result with in the future" just to spell it out for you but you still missed it. Let  me connect the dots for you. In order to get a teleological theory to work you would need to believe the ends justifies the means and know that one action necessarily causes a uniform effect, which you cannot on the empirical method.  All you can say is that a certain effect has resulted from a certain action in the past.

Nah, you didn't know what the word meant until I told you.  It doesn't make any sense in the sentence.

[joebbowers]

I'm going to avoid Olivianus' threads from now on. I've realized that all of them are just word vomit with no redeeming value. He really is insane.

[sun_king]

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  All you can say is that a certain effect has resulted from a certain action in the past.

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So far this is the only sentence from Olly in this thread that makes any sense. It makes sense only because it is vague and can apply to a lot of stuff other than the OP.

Here is something for you Olivianus, the Bible is the original reason why some people have a taste for incest. Same goes with torture, Bible is the main inspiration for torture. Now can we call them "theist incest revolution" and "theist torture culture"?

[ParkingPlaces]

You're fucking wrong.  You are trying to connect your bullshit theories to atheism, and you're wrong.  You have failed epically, so try again.

He better show up and defend his OP or it will be the last time he's allowed to start one without a very serious conversation that will occur between me and him.

That conversation should start right quick. And if he pretends he hasn't the slightest idea of what you are talking about, push the magic go-away button. He is contributing nothing.

I hope I haven't offended him very much. Because I'm trying to offend him a lot!

Dude won't respond to my posts, so don't expect me to be nice. Being ignored is kind of like looking at porn. No telling what it will make me do.

[Historicity]

Olivianus has made it plain that this issue is a stalking horse for theocracy.  That's my bold facing below:


Slate -- Enslaved by His Sources
Reading Peter Landesman's sex-slave story one more time.
by Jack Shafer, Feb. 3, 2004

Landesman's notion that every third block in the country harbors a sex-slave brothel can be traced to his reliance on well-meaning sources in government, activist circles, the religious community, and academia whose moral fervor causes them to stretch the truth to make their points about the abomination of sex slavery. Landesman appears to have fallen captive to these sources, internalized their views, and channeled their agenda into the pages of the Times Magazine.
...
reporter Elisabeth Bumiller detailed the growing influence of religious groups over human rights issues—"most notably sex trafficking and AIDS"—in the Bush administration....

Thomas Steinfatt, a Fulbright scholar and professor at the University of Miami, who has studied the traffic of women and children under a USAID grant, writes in an e-mail to me that the sex trade is "not a closed group of evil men who want to molest young girls. The purpose is commercial—to make money." One needs a constant flow of new customers, not just repeat customers, to build a business. And to attract such a large base of customers, it needs to publicize its existence. He continues:

With such knowledge available in the community, any honest cop, let alone anyone with detective training, should be able to find it. Any interested male should be able to find it. While the existence of trafficked children may be more hidden than the existence of commercial sex itself, if money is to be made—and that is the purpose—then the existence of the children has to be made known in some way, or the money cannot be made. Thus, if there are all these locations as alleged by Landesman, any reasonable effort to find them should succeed. I have never tried to locate them in the U.S. but if they exist that should not be too difficult to do.

Got that?  Consider the Iron Law of Wages.[1]  Overhead for so-called white slavery requires transportation costs across a border, food every day, bribes to customs, transportation inside the US, bribes to cops, food every day, bathing, clothing, shelter, heating, etc.  All of this before the first customer arrives.  The customer may complain about the price but he has to pay the overhead for the prostitute when he isn't around. 

As for the claim from the 1970s that 500,000 children disappear every year, an article in Psychology Today pointed out the innumeracy of it.  Think of the 58,000 men killed in 'Nam.  How closely do you know one?  How many degrees of separation? (That means you know a guy who knows a guy, etc)  Now how many families do you know with missing children?  Just one year at that rate would produce 10 times that many connections and since it was supposed to be year after year so it would be hundreds as many.  The PT article said it was because parents report a child missing but when the kid comes back on his own the parents don't think to call the authorities to close the case.

Shafer wrote follow-up articles in 2006 and 2007:

More Mythical Numbers
The GAO debunks the official human-trafficking estimates

The Sex-Slavery Epidemic That Wasn't
Revisiting the numbers behind the New York Times Magazine's sex-slave story

1.	An employer may say, "I don't pay an employee to eat or drive" but if he doesn't pay the employee enough the worker can't come to work.

[Historicity]

BTW, on the Huffington Post there was a new author with a similar charge.  Arianna Huffington likes to use her paper as a new talent turner for some women.  There's a Los Angeles social set bias to that.  The author in question had the same last name as a Hollywood director -- a daughter, I presume.  It wasn't mentioned in her bio which just showed she was a recent college graduate.  This women said that a United Nations report said the biggest destination for sex trafficking in the world was the United States and she gave a link.

I looked at the link.  It was a multi-megabyte PDF file.

I responded that this was the fallacy of the Argumentum ad Librum[1], aka, read this big thick book and get back to me.  I said it was the author's responsibility to quote the part that said that.

Then in fewer words than I used here I cited the overhead costs and Shafer on how easy it would be for any vice squad to find such a business and posted the links to his articles.

I notice the virtually all my posts on the HuffPo are held by the editors.  Apparently someone is reading me. 

Within the day the HuffPo removed the article.

1.	I made that one up so don't bother looking for it in a text book

[ParkingPlaces]

Hist, it would be more than a ten times multiplier. The 58,000 who died in Nam died over a 12 year period. Round up to 5,000 men a year and we're talking a 100 multiplier.

Between kids I went to school with and guys I served with (I was in the military during that war) I once figured I knew 11 people that died over there. I've never known anyone who lost a child to anything but the courts in custody disputes.

Coincidence? I don't think so.

[Historicity]

They tried a country without the first amendment. Called it the Soviet Union. It lasted about 70 years.
Still had pornography. And the whole population (sans the leaders) was being trafficked one way or the other.

I once read a biography of Lenin.  I think the author's name was something like Robert Massey. 

During the war against the White Army Lenin heard that prostitutes were demoralizing the soldiers.  ?????   So to solve the problem in his favorite way he issued a note, "Shoot and deport one hundred prostitutes."

So Lenin was against freedom of speech and he had a plan to stop the sex trade.

[Olivianus]

albeto

Because God would never condone human trafficking:

When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are.  If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again.  But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her.  And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter.  If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife.  If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment.  (Exodus 21:7-11)

The first principle Americans need to understand about the Old Testament Law: Jesus said, "“Because of your hardness of heart Moses permitted you" (Mat 19:. There are some things immoral spoken about in the Old Testament Law that are civilly allowed to sustain  the commonwealth of Israel in a carnal administration of the Covenant of Grace. Notice God is not saying "You shall sell your child, etc. etc." He is making an allowance if in case this happens.

 

And God would never allow his followers to enslave others

In context we are talking about contemporary human trafficking which is kidnap and rape. God never sanctions this. There are forms of slavery that are morally allowed as all nations allow. Right now, post 13th-15th amendments America we have slavery for thousands of men who are incarcerated. Many penitentiaries have quite a bit of factory work and this is fine and even the most undesirable jobs in the world should be performed by criminals. Indentured servitude should be an option for people instead of welfarism. I support these lawful forms of slavery. What I do not support is forced kidnap. Exodus 21:16 “ He who kidnaps a man, whether he sells him or he is found in his possession, shall surely be put to death.


This was the passage that my Covenanter Prebsyterian Brethren in the North were shoving in the face of bigot pseudo-christians in the South during the wicked African slave trade. 

 

[ParkingPlaces]

They tried a country without the first amendment. Called it the Soviet Union. It lasted about 70 years.
Still had pornography. And the whole population (sans the leaders) was being trafficked one way or the other.

I once read a biography of Lenin.  I think the author's name was something like Robert Massey. 

During the war against the White Army Lenin heard that prostitutes were demoralizing the soldiers.  ?????   So to solve the problem in his favorite way he issued a note, "Shoot and deport one hundred prostitutes."

So Lenin was against freedom of speech and he had a plan to stop the sex trade.

And he was an atheist (or lapsed Georgian orthodox, whichever you prefer).

His plan still didn't work, did it. If forced to choose between no sex and death, most will pick the latter. One hundred dead prostitutes meant the remaining women could charge more. So ironically, Stalin was supporting the best part of capitalism: higher profit via the artificial scarcity of goods.

[atheola]

Historicity there's a great point there. Laying here in the ER I just had a short conversation with my daughter and bu the way, mother of two... we both know young men who have gone off to war. The kid next door she grew up with is now a grizzled combat veteran at 25 and has seen many men die and has himself killed so our degree of separation is almost nil.
On the same hand we're all parents and we don't know ANY KIDS sold into the sex slave business. I've known hundreds, perhaps thousands of parents and compound them by all their kids and still pull up goose eggs and I lived a pretty dammed hardcore existence as an alcoholoc AND heroin addict... I would think of all this would have exposed me to AT LEAST ONE trafficked sex slave.. and I was far from sheltered..

[ParkingPlaces]

Indentured servitude should be an option for people instead of welfarism.

Okay, let me get this straight. By replacing welfare with indentured servantism, businesses get to collect the moral equivalent of welfare because they only have to pay their employees room and board.

Frickin' brilliant. I'm starting to like you. When can you start.

[sun_king]

What I do not support is forced kidnap. Exodus 21:16 “ He who kidnaps a man, whether he sells him or he is found in his possession, shall surely be put to death.

Exodus 21:16 may be one of the few lines that suggest that sometimes god was against some sort of slave trade. I am not sure if by stealing really means kidnapping or the stealing of a slave.

And this is now related to atheists how???

[Olivianus]

Parking Places

First of all, olivanus, you seem to be under the impression that there was no porn before 1965.[

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Wrong. I’m under the impression that there was no first amendment freed sexual revolutions to addict society to sex on a national level creating the market for sex slaves.

 

I used to be a hippie. Free love and all that crap. We weren't into porn. Didn't need to be. We had hippie chicks.

Which is exactly why you needed abortion rights, right after that. Your movement began the process of our nation becoming addicted to fornication and immorality. Planting the seeds for human trafficking.

Nor were we into human trafficking. On the contrary, we were very much for freedom. Everywhere.

But because of your rejection of revealed ethics which provides an omniscient agent you took teleological ethics which kept you blind to the effects of your choices. Human Trafficking was the egg you laid.

Pornography exists because of the free market

I’m a capitalist but I am also an advocate of strong national censorship from immorality, heresy, idolatry, and other things that you evil people think you have the RIGHT to do. By the way, what is a right? Can I touch it, smell it taste it?

No, human trafficking exists because there is a market too.

Exactly! And why is there a market? Sexual addiction? And why is their sexual addiction? Pornography.

So if I am going to go to all the trouble of being a responsible human being and yet you want to throttle every freedom worth having so that America becomes this lovely spot on the map, real nirvanaish, keep this in mind. Make me a sheeple like you, make all of us sheeple like you and there will still be the following: pornography, human trafficking, drug running, street gangs, etc. The folks that do that sh*t will always be, no matter what else is going on. If for no other reason, they are obviously smarter than you.

This is why you’ll always have the Roman Catholic Church with you use your children in unjust wars and political powers moves of the papacy, your government to the hierarchy and the Pope. The Romanists always allow pornography. They love having as much sexual immorality, prostitution (For their priests and cardinals of course-good celibates you kow), crime and corruption possible in a country. It protects them. The protestants do not allow such things. Westminster Larger Catechism 139.

Crime exists in and across cultures. In and across religions and non-religions. It has existed since the beginning time, and has developed as a social construct for at least as long as families and marriage and governments and everything else has existed. For you to have the gaul to be a one-issue idiot and claim that just one, and only one, social change caused all of this is to ignore everything reality has to throw at you except for that one whimpy softball. You are trying to take the easy way out of explaining a serious situation (trafficking) and a generally mediocre one (pornography).

Then what is your theory? If its not pornography’s sexual addiction that creates the demand what then is it?

With this post you have proven conclusively that you have the intellect of a right-wing fundamentalist fox watching limbaugh loving hannity kissing beck sucking jerk.

Nope. Those guys are way too liberal for me. Like all the rest of these replies, typical insolent nonsense with no argumentative substance and complete disregard for the arguments before you.

[jaimehlers]

Since the Enlightement-atheistic principles of freedom of conscience, censorship has been attacked. When these principles really came into their own demographically, in the United States, during the atheistic sexual revolution of the 60s, pornography has become an epidemic. In their foolish trust in experience and the empty teleological theories of ethics that accompany secular empirical thinkers that cannot see what an action will result with in the future, human trafficking has blossomed out of this atheist movement. Because of evil laws like the First Amendment, pornography has spread into a world wide disease.  Pornography makes people sexually addicted deviants who are willing to purchase forced sex slaves from black markets and pimps. A Christian group has produced a documentary called Sex and Money: http://sexandmoneyfilm.com/.

Take a big whiff of your self atheist. This is what your beliefs have produced. May Thomas Jefferson rot in Hell! Reader, do you know what the primary defense and justification for the legalization of pornography? The First Amendment.

Wow, Olivianus really outdid himself this time, didn't he?  Apparently, the First Amendment, which allows him to post his ideas regarding everything under the sun without ever having to worry about facing legal prosecution because the government thinks he should be silenced, is now a cover for sex slavery.  And because of this, he thinks Thomas Jefferson should rot in hell?  Somehow, I suspect the real reason Olivianus hates Jefferson is because of the fact that the First Amendment prevents Olivianus, or anyone else, from making their religious beliefs the law of thel and.  This "First Amendment promotes pornography which promotes sex slavery" nonsense is just a cloak for his real desire, which is to see the First Amendment neutered so that his beloved Protestants can establish a nationwide theocracy.

The irony here is that he doesn't even take himself seriously enough to find real evidence to support his theorycrafting.  Instead, it's all based on purely...I can't even call them philosophical, because philosophers take themselves seriously enough to support their conclusions with something other than fancy word games and "I can think of it, therefore it's proven" arguments.  Reality trumps ideas every single time (the only ideas that have a chance of working are those that can happen in reality), hands down, yet Olivianus apparently prefers to pretend that his ideas have relevance simply because he says they do.

Well, he's debased his philosophical coinage a bit too much, and as a result his ideas are worth less than the Deutsch mark in the early 1930s.  Yet he expects people to accept them at face value without question, no matter how ridiculous they end up sounding.  I suppose he could expect pigs to fly, too, it might actually be more likely at this point.

[atheola]

Olly, may I call you Olly? I like that name for you because my grandfather had an uncle Olly who forced grandpa into servitude and robbed him of his natural talents as a baseball catcher so he could instead work off petty family debts in the family candy business. Of course my grandpa never played in the big leagues because by the time his debt was paid Olly was rich and grandpas hands were ruined. Thanks all to indentured servitude and your favorite flavor of slavery.
Even though I'm up in my years with a bad ticket if civil war breaks out I'll definitely dedicate my life to hunting you down so i can make YOU OLLY my personal slave. You're job will be picking fly shit out of pepper...twit.

[ParkingPlaces]

Whoa, Olivianus responded to something I said. Was it something i said?

If it makes you feel any better, none of my hippy babies were aborted. I paid for 'em for a long time, but they weren't aborted.

It's absolutely true that there was never an abortion on planet earth prior to the hippy movement and the rise of the mighty atheist party. Never, never happened. Life was perfect. (LIttle known fact: Leave it to Beaver was a documentary). Yea, there was that first amendment thingy, but it wasn't too important back then because everybody was perfect. Other than everyone being born sinners, that is. Which, believe it or not, had no effect whatsoever on the impeccable morality of the United States prior to the unfortunate invention of the hippie in 1967 and the atheist in '69  (Olivianus, there is a sex joke in there so don't read that sentence).

Of course, this all coincided with the invention of the camera and the imagination. Two hippy atheists from Pakucah, KY realized that they could take pictures of each other having sex with impossibly large breasted, leggy bleached blondes and sell it for a profit. This was fun for awhile but then suddenly people started noticing that they had a hankering for sex slaves, because pornography just wasn't enough. But there weren't any to be found in this wonderful country of ours.

Now, some say it was a coincidence, others a conspiracy. But that is also about the time that US auto makers started building vehicles that would last more than 100,000 miles. And while this looked good on paper, three atheist hippies in Peoria figured out that suddenly it was feasible to capture sex slaves in Thailand, drive them 11,000 miles to the United States using fancy new Chevys and Fords, and suddenly sex trafficking was both fun and profitable. (You would think that the thousands of miles of ocean between Thailand and the US would put a damper on this idea, but if Olivianus can make stuff up, so can I). Anyway, soon caravans of sex slaves were being driven to the US in everything from Impalas to Fairlanes, and by 1971 there was such much fucking going on that not only were all the athiests too busy to do anything else, there were only seven confirmed christians left in the whole United States.

Now I can see where you would think this was a problem. What with sex slaves being bought and sold on the open market (I got most of mine at Safeway in Oregon, but back east I guess it was Piggly Wiggly). But overall, it wasn't to bad. However, then women who were not sex slaves (an oversight, I'm sure) started getting pregnant anyway, and of course, had to have abortions. It was like, you know, they had no choice. With only seven christians in the country, there was nobody to fend off a concerted effort by f**king congressmen and f**king supreme court justices to make abortion not only legal, but mandatory. Lacking any morals whatsoever, being atheists and all, by noon in 1972, everything was legal except morality, and other than a slight headway made by eunuchs for jesus, it looked hopeless. Not counting the eunuchs, America was down to four christians.

Slowly but surely, a few babies here, a few babies there, made it through the gauntlet of uncaring laws and regulations, and some of them had a chance to become christians. Since there were so few left, each of those little christian babies made up their own version of the religion, which is why even today no two ever agree on anything. But while the rest of us were f**king sex slaves by the hundreds, the christians started making headway, and slowly but surely, they made it to 2012, where they are apparently starting to make their voice heard.

So I can see where Olivianus is coming from. This sex, sex, sex stuff is getting old I, for one, am starting to feel dirty. And since that 1975 law passed requiring every male to have at least 500 copies of Playboy and 100 sex slaves, I haven't had time to do anything else but keep up with government regulations. It's oppressive.

If there were only some ancient, divinely inspired text that could instruct us on exactly how to behave, we could be freed from the oppression of sex and slave-ownership. And since we don't have universal abortion care, all my girlfriends are getting spendy. so if we could find some old text that clarified the moral status of abortion, sex slavery, pornography and driving on oceans, perhaps we could return to a simpler time, when we walked around lost in the desert for 40 years and got drowned a lot and hung our saviors up high so everyone could see them. We could be proud again and wretches again, and saved. Can't forget saved.

Though an eternity in heaven without porn is going to be a little hard to handle.

But I say we give Olivanus his way. Let him control everything. Put him in charge of everything. I'm sure that within the week every human on earth will give in to his mighty mind and superior morals, and other than that really bad taste in our mouths, we'll be pretty happy as obedient and oppressed followers of his lord.

Well, you will. Me? I'd rather ride that trail of imagined atheistic traits, and be seen as a dastardly wrong-doer, uncontrolled by any moral standards, doing as I please, when I please, where I please. Granted, I'm a simple dude who lives in a little cabin and has a little job and enjoys hiking and woodworking. But Olivianus's accusations make me sound bigger than life, like a huge lie, like a fairy tale (not that there's anything wrong with that), like the villain in a Batman movie, like that guy I always wanted to be (the one guy in the world that made Gengis Khan look like a whimp), and I get to imagine that I've been having sex with slaves and magazines my whole life. That is my choice.

(Olivianus, you and I are a lot alike. I can turn out a crock of sh*t too.)

[kin hell]

Benjamin Edelman made a most pertinent comment...

"Some of the people who are most outraged turn out to be consumers of the very things they claimed to be outraged by," Edelman told ABC News.

http://www.dailyfinance.com/2009/03/03/red-state-residents-buy-the-most-online-porn/


So nudge nudge wink wink eh Oilianus

Edelman (Harvard Business School assistant prof) >while collating two years of receipts from dozens of adult websites> discovered that  the more conservative and religious states lead the field in the buying of porn (specifically spending money on it)

The study
http://people.hbs.edu/bedelman/papers/redlightstates.pdf


So obviously these christian conservatives are true believers in the first amendment, and if you are going to sell porn for prophet, make sure you do it in an evangelical state (pun intended).

Interestingly there is a statistically noticeable "sunday at church" effect where the porn usage drops.

Perhaps we should get these evangelical christians to design a better world for us all...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_scandals_involving_evangelical_Christians
1 List of evangelical Christians involved in scandals
1.1 Aimee Semple McPherson, 1920s–40s
1.2 Lonnie Frisbee, 1970s–1980s
1.3 Marjoe Gortner, early 1970s
1.4 Billy James Hargis, early 1970s
1.5 Jimmy Swaggart, Marvin Gorman, Jim and Tammy Bakker, 1986 and 1991
1.6 Peter Popoff, 1987
1.7 Morris Cerullo, 1990s
1.8 Melissa Scott, 1992
1.9 Mike Warnke, 1991
1.10 Robert Tilton, 1991
1.11 W. V. Grant, 1996 and 2003
1.12 Bob Moorehead, 1998
1.13 Roy Clements, 1999
1.14 John Paulk, 2000
1.15 Paul Crouch, 2004
1.16 Douglas Goodman, 2004
1.17 Kent Hovind, 2006
1.18 Ted Haggard, 2006
1.19 Paul Barnes, 2006
1.20 Lonnie Latham, 2006
1.21 Gilbert Deya, 2006
1.22 Earl Paulk, 2007
1.23 Coy Privette, 2007
1.24 Thomas Wesley Weeks, III, 2007
1.25 Michael Reid, 2008
1.26 Joe Barron, 2008
1.27 Todd Bentley, 2008
1.28 Michael Guglielmucci, 2008
1.29 Ergun Caner, 2010
1.30 George Alan Rekers, 2010
1.31 Eddie L. Long, 2010
1.32 Marcus Lamb, 2010
1.33 Vaughn Reeves, 2010
1.34 Stephen Green, 2011
1.35 Albert Odulele, 2011


and it is only a historical accident that you are not a supporter of slavery like the majority of evangelist christians were  before the american civil war.

[atheola]

Wow Bob.. I must have been one of those seven christians..no wait..I merely had a friend named Chris.. Close call indeed!
Still, nonetheless I don't quite remember my dick doing quite that much work. Maybe it did though because in one of my many Satin inspired drunken stupors I had to have been an abortion doctor and quite the stud impregnating hundreds, thousands, MILLIONS of unsuspecting poor innocent Christian girls and then using my government mandate to abort all those precious babies.  I know as FACT I am directly responsible for aborting at least 100 future conservative United States presidents.. Yeah...it's all coming back now and praise da lord Olly is here to save my soul from the bridge of eternal peril..  Now if I could just remember the air speed velocity of a European swallow...

[pingnak]

You know a post is going to be full of interesting and unique thought when you can paste the first sentence into a search engine and come up with the same content.
https://www.google.com/search?q=Since+the+Enlightement-atheistic+principles+of+freedom+of+conscience%2C+censorship+has+been+attacked.

Which makes this spam, and nothing more.

[atheola]

I suppose the same could be said of those who paste buybull verses..spam..

[Graybeard]

This thread was about human trafficking, not prostitution. Human trafficking is forced kidnap and rape. Prostitution is sex for money. Very different. Second, how do you know "the trade of prostitution itself can ever be eradicated" ?

God knows all about prostitution and approves of it. If he does not, how would you explain the story of Judah and Tamar in Gen:28:13 - 26 in which Tamar dresses as a prostitute and Judah shags her on his way to see his friends. Let Judah's morals be a lesson to us all.

God is also happy with human trafficking:
Nu:31:7: And they warred against the Midianites, as the LORD commanded Moses; and they slew all the males.
…
Nu:31:9: And the children of Israel took all the women of Midian captives, and their little ones, and took the spoil of all their cattle, and all their flocks, and all their goods.
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Nu:31:12: And they brought the captives, and the prey, and the spoil, unto Moses,
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Nu:31:13: And Moses, and Eleazar the priest, and all the princes of the congregation, went forth to meet them without the camp.
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Nu:31:15: And Moses said unto them,
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Nu:31:17: Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.
Nu:31:18: But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

Now why would anyone want a load of young attractive virgins?

So, I'm sure that you don't need telling of (i) the clear support given by The Almighty for prostitution and sex-slavery, and (ii) as a Christian, your passage to heaven is not at all hindered by taking advantage of these God-Given and God-Commanded Gifts.