Explanations are everywhere, it doesn't make them true. So evolution IS a theory? I never said it wasn't a good explanation if, indeed, a God was out of the question. But why is a God out of the question? You said yourself, we don't know or may never know. Well, there you have it. You left the impossible up to being possibly possible.
Yes, but behaving as if the one specific God that you've been culturally indoctrinated to believe in is the actual 'One-true-only-super-special God' and that every single other person in the world that believes in any of the other thousands and thousands of gods... is fucking ridiculous.
A god is not out of the question for most of us. The problem isn't that. The moment you start giving that god any sort of attributes, then you have to defend each and every piece against harsh scrutiny.
I believe that the evidence DOES show the intervention of a deity.
What evidence? Your lack of understanding as to how it could have come about any other way? That's not very good. Do you know that's the same argument that ancient people made when they saw lightning streak across the sky? They thought lightning was evidence of a deity as well. You can almost hear them saying, "I don't know any other way to explain that white flashy thing, so it must be god." Was that right? Or were they just so scientifically illiterate that they didn't know any better? Did you ever stop to think that your
dogged insistence that the universe is too perfect to have appeared without the intervention of a deity is EXACTLY the same type of scientific ignorance that leads to thinking that lightning is too difficult to understand without the intervention of a deity?
Why? Because it's astronomically impossible to form the life we see from an explosion in space, that's why.
See what I mean? The sum total of your argument is... "I don't understand how it could have come from natural causes so a god must have been involved." That argument was wrong for lightning, diseases, earthquakes, and just about every other thing that we understand about the universe. And I mean everything. Where you stand right now in your argument against evolution is exactly where people stood with lightning right up until Ben Franklin figured that shit out. Now, it's just stupid to say lightning comes from a god. In the future, the same will be said about all life. It will be stupid to say it had to come from god.
And yes, what other explanation to we have for the omnipresence of everything than a God, or something that we can't explain?
Those are 2 very, very different things. Saying there is something about the universe that we don't understand is something a lot of us would agree with. But to say it was the Christian God? No, you have to prove that. Creation is not timestamped by the Christian God. There is no 'Yahweh was here' on anything. ANY god could have created it all. Including none at all.
You admitted it, it's there, the unknown and unexplainable.
Partial credit. There is unknown and unexplained
... but it remains to be seen whether or not there is unknowable
Therefore, we could call that unexplainable God.
Or we could call it parfugahargin. It really doesn't matter.
The fact is we don't know! That's my point!
You believe in God, don't you? Are you saying now that you don't know if God is true? Why would you ever live your life as if it were?
We have many more things other than this to point to a God.... The Bible.
The bible is a poor substitute for evidence. Its a book with words and claims, just like all the other religious books in the world. Claiming that the resurrection of Jesus actually happened, with the razor thin (the bible is all you've got) evidence we have is totally ridiculous. Just ask yourself this simple question. If you read the story of a man being tortured to death and then rising from the dead 3 days later in ANY other book, what would you think of it? Wouldn't your brain immediately tell you that it's fiction? Of course it would. The only reason you don't think it's fiction for the bible is because people you trust and that have indoctrinated you to think it, have all said that the bible is true. Guess what? Those people aren't perfect! They don't know everything. They really could be wrong about it.
Maybe we should be talking about the "other" proof that I claim exists.
We've heard everything you are going to say rockv. I can almost guarantee you that. It's all crap, and deep down inside, I think you know it. Or maybe even worse... deep down inside, you're scared to admit that your proof is horribly lacking.
I can see your point. You're not dumb or stupid. Nobody here is. You're very smart and make some good points. I think we all do. That's why I like talking to athiests/evolutionists. They are typically very smart people. So thanks for the comments and questions, but lets keep it adult and mature.
If you really mean this, then please understand that we aren't out to get you with the theory of evolution. We accept it, not because of the fact that it removes God from the equation, but because it's one of the most well supported theories in all of science and for the most part we understand how it works. I firmly believe that you too could understand it, but you just aren't willing to let go of the idea that you could be wrong. This is the problem with your world view. Let go of it for just a moment and open your mind to the possibility of being wrong and the flood gates will open. You're human. You really could have lived your entire life thus far believing something that wasn't true. And think of it this way... there are lots and lots of old people who are atheists and lots and lots of old people who are Christians. ONE set of people has been wrong for a really long time. It really could be you that's wrong, right?
Evolution doesn't have to be true in order to say god isn't real. Atheists existed long before that theory came along.