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Re: Atheists: What's with the sarcasm?
« Reply #116 on: March 04, 2012, 04:45:32 PM »
jss, you and I agree on everything (esp. the totalitarianism stuff). Except the fear part. But you have to keep in mind that I'm an old guy, and when you get to my age dying isn't much of an issue. Fear comes in a lot of forms, and is a valid and useful emotion when one reacts right. But I'm pretty sure I'll be cussing at the guy who shoots me, not quivering, not whimpering. I've got to live with myself, right up to the last moment.
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Re: Atheists: What's with the sarcasm?
« Reply #117 on: March 04, 2012, 05:24:16 PM »
jss, you and I agree on everything (esp. the totalitarianism stuff). Except the fear part. But you have to keep in mind that I'm an old guy, and when you get to my age dying isn't much of an issue. Fear comes in a lot of forms, and is a valid and useful emotion when one reacts right. But I'm pretty sure I'll be cussing at the guy who shoots me, not quivering, not whimpering. I've got to live with myself, right up to the last moment.

The fear that I'm talking about is quite a bit more significant than self-preservation  It's fear of your family and loved ones suffering.  I suspect that such fear is quite a bit more potent than fear of personal annihilation.  And that is why theists are scary -- it seems like it's such an easy step for them to go from peace loving tolerant delusionists to "my god commands that all infidels convert or be destroyed".

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Re: Atheists: What's with the sarcasm?
« Reply #118 on: March 04, 2012, 10:26:55 PM »
jss, you and I agree on everything (esp. the totalitarianism stuff). Except the fear part. But you have to keep in mind that I'm an old guy, and when you get to my age dying isn't much of an issue. Fear comes in a lot of forms, and is a valid and useful emotion when one reacts right. But I'm pretty sure I'll be cussing at the guy who shoots me, not quivering, not whimpering. I've got to live with myself, right up to the last moment.

The fear that I'm talking about is quite a bit more significant than self-preservation  It's fear of your family and loved ones suffering.  I suspect that such fear is quite a bit more potent than fear of personal annihilation.  And that is why theists are scary -- it seems like it's such an easy step for them to go from peace loving tolerant delusionists to "my god commands that all infidels convert or be destroyed".

jss, I'm going to let you win this one. I just ran across this article, and i guess I am scared. Of what this country is becoming:
http://www.star-telegram.com/2012/03/04/3782747/gun-sales-boom-in-expectation.html
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Re: Atheists: What's with the sarcasm?
« Reply #119 on: March 05, 2012, 09:53:41 AM »
As if some VAST army of wingnuts will march on Washington and take the whitehouse back for white people by force with their glocks in the face of a division of marines armed to the teeth...
IF our government decided to remove all these guns they would massively fund the ATF and anyone who said they weren't giving up their guns would be mowed down like grass on the whitehouse lawn..It's simply not going to happen..
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Re: Atheists: What's with the sarcasm?
« Reply #120 on: March 05, 2012, 10:13:58 AM »
I'm not too worried about what they could do. But their attitude. That concerns me.
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Re: Atheists: What's with the sarcasm?
« Reply #121 on: March 05, 2012, 10:38:52 AM »
To answer the OP, I'm English so it's very much a part of my culture to speak mostly in irony almost on a constant basis (noo, really?). For some reason we love irony (talk about stating the obvious!), so I could come off as sarcastic, but usually here sarcasm is meant affectionately (daww ain't that sweet?). Though on the internet I try to put it aside because I know people can take it totally the wrong way. However, if I am sarcastic in a non-affectionate way then chances are you're driving my patience (wheew, somebody's cheerful today), not by merely thinking differently or having a difference of opinion it's by not listening (pardon?), it's by using strawmen, it's by lying, it's by being dishonest, it's by shifting goal posts, it's by condescending, it's by insults, it's by making offensive remarks, it's by getting shirty with me, it's by mistreating other people, it's by being a bigot, it's by over generalising people and making inaccurate assumptions, it's by prejudice. And even then I have a high tolerance, but I'm human so I do have a fuse.

I think sometimes it's worth thinking about how you might come off, I don't know you nor have  I engaged you, or at least, I don't think I have.  :P So I won't make an assumption about the arguments you've made, but I think it's definitely worth thinking if the person is being sarcastic, why are they being sarcastic? Is it because they're generally unpleasant towards religious people? Or is there something you're doing that might be winding them up. I've listed things that would lead to sarcasm from me and sarcasm isn't necessarily a BAD thing, it can be a quick and easy way to put something into perspective - irony can be an excellent use of language for demonstrating a point in a concise way. In the 'catholic priests and paedophilia' comments, if somebody was talking about the 'morality that organised religion brings', I could go into depth about the various immoral acts that have been done by people belonging to an organised religion. Or I could just make an ironic statement to put into an immediate perspective an issue at hand.

I personally wouldn't feel the need to mock religion, the catholic church included, well except for the sake of humour but then my sense of humour will make fun of anything, including atheists and English people. If I were to make a witty comment about Catholics it'd be to make a point relevant to the discussion at hand, I'd try to not insult somebody doing it - I wouldn't imply all Catholics are kiddy fiddlers, but highlight it as a problem from within the church. My Nan is Catholic and half of my family has a catholic background, if I insult Catholics then I'm insulting my family. If I was a Catholic and believed kiddy fiddling was wrong, I'd be outraged that my church allowed it to happen and not only that but my pope protected them, if somebody made a joke about catholic priests or made a sarcastic remark I'd join in as say, "yes, as a Catholic, I approve".

I've had sarcasm come my way and instead of letting it bother me or allow it to invalidate their argument, it has actually put into perspective what I was getting wrong. I also get it from the religious and a whole lot worse things than sarcasm, I'm sorry but if I'm walking down the street I don't want someone with bible in hand that I'm going to hell if I don't accept Jesus.
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Re: Atheists: What's with the sarcasm?
« Reply #122 on: March 05, 2012, 02:32:41 PM »
Why the all the sarcasm?

PPppfffftt yeah, right.  Like we'd tell *YOU!!*

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Re: Atheists: What's with the sarcasm?
« Reply #123 on: March 07, 2012, 04:12:27 AM »
However there is one thing, over time, I see over and over and over again that disturbs me… and that is a heavy reliance on sarcasm from atheists in response to whatever thread they are engaging in.

I've seen Christians (and other religious people) use this technique as well. Its human nature and sometimes sarcasm is an effective means of conveying a point.

I'm rarely sarcastic, unless somebody really tempts me.

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My style is to merely explain my stance and the Church's stance on whatever, argue a point or two, and move on.  About 10% of you atheists will give an honest to goodness debate that involves respect, intellect and curiosity – which is the reason I am here. 

Well, o.k. I'm ok with your stated approach, although I don't recall your posting period.

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However, about 90% of the time I see a quick jab, a sarcastic remark, a (predictable) reference to pedophile priests and the Inquisition

On the flip side of the coin, what percentage of Christians use the following arguments:
1) Stalin, Hitler and other atheists killed people. (Hitler's atheism is debateable btw. I'd say, he was a superstitious and certainly not a rationalist who wasn't a Christian despite his lifelong membership in the Catholic church.)
2) Argument from morality which amounts to suggesting that its o.k. to kill people if you disbelieve in God.
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Re: Atheists: What's with the sarcasm?
« Reply #124 on: March 07, 2012, 10:31:54 AM »
BSD, I see you've been on and off lately.  If you have time for that, I'm wondering: are you going to actually participate or will you wander off again ignoring the threads you've started? 
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Re: Atheists: What's with the sarcasm?
« Reply #125 on: March 07, 2012, 10:51:25 AM »
On the flip side of the coin, what percentage of Christians use the following arguments:
1) Stalin, Hitler and other atheists killed people. (Hitler's atheism is debateable btw. I'd say, he was a superstitious and certainly not a rationalist who wasn't a Christian despite his lifelong membership in the Catholic church.)

A life long member of the Catholic Church isn't a Christian?

Two quotes of Hitler:

"We were convinced that the people need and require this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out".


"For their interests [the Church's] cannot fail to coincide with ours [the National Socialists] alike in our fight against the symptoms of degeneracy in the world of to-day, in our fight against a Bolshevist culture, against atheistic movement, against criminality, and in our struggle for a consciousness of a community in our national life".

Yet you call this "debateable"


I'll call you "wrong"

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Re: Atheists: What's with the sarcasm?
« Reply #126 on: March 07, 2012, 11:09:46 AM »
On the flip side of the coin, what percentage of Christians use the following arguments:
1) Stalin, Hitler and other atheists killed people. (Hitler's atheism is debateable btw. I'd say, he was a superstitious and certainly not a rationalist who wasn't a Christian despite his lifelong membership in the Catholic church.)

A life long member of the Catholic Church isn't a Christian?

Two quotes of Hitler:

"We were convinced that the people need and require this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out".


"For their interests [the Church's] cannot fail to coincide with ours [the National Socialists] alike in our fight against the symptoms of degeneracy in the world of to-day, in our fight against a Bolshevist culture, against atheistic movement, against criminality, and in our struggle for a consciousness of a community in our national life".

Yet you call this "debateable"


I'll call you "wrong"

It is certainly not decided.  Hitler made public statements positive of Christianity and private statements that were negative.  He was raised by a skeptic catholic and stopped taking the sacrament after childhood.  His over-all espoused views present someone in conflict, someone who believes in some form of spirituality but is against the church.

He wasn't an atheist but I'm not sure you can state, without a doubt, that he was Christian.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler's_religious_views

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Re: Atheists: What's with the sarcasm?
« Reply #127 on: March 07, 2012, 05:13:48 PM »
It is certainly not decided.  Hitler made public statements positive of Christianity and private statements that were negative.  He was raised by a skeptic catholic and stopped taking the sacrament after childhood.  His over-all espoused views present someone in conflict, someone who believes in some form of spirituality but is against the church.

He wasn't an atheist but I'm not sure you can state, without a doubt, that he was Christian.

Maybe not, but he certainly knew how to use some of the common characteristics of Christians to his advantage: gullibility, blind loyalty to leaders, zeal for the cause...
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Re: Atheists: What's with the sarcasm?
« Reply #128 on: March 07, 2012, 06:15:09 PM »
The Luftwaffe and the Panzer crews all considered themselves Christian.  There were Christian crosses painted on all the planes and tanks.

Also, the greatest Christian in German history, Martin Luther, was a foaming-at-the-mouth anti-semite who wrote that the Jews should be expelled from Germany and their temples burnt to the ground. 

Martin Luther founded the Lutheran Church. (I was raised a Lutheran, forced to go to Sunday School every Sunday till I left the home at age 18, and never once was Martin Luther's antisemitism discussed.) 

Hitler quote Martin Luther in his anti-Jewish crusade. 

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Re: Atheists: What's with the sarcasm?
« Reply #129 on: March 07, 2012, 07:36:17 PM »
I’ve been posting and debating atheists for years.  Over time I’ve seen a lot of unique individuals, many of whom have nothing in common except their shared non-belief.  However there is one thing, over time, I see over and over and over again that disturbs me… and that is a heavy reliance on sarcasm from atheists in response to whatever thread they are engaging in.  If anyone recalls me, I visited here fairly regularly on this forum from 2006-2009 and have dropped by sparingly ever since.  My areas of interest lie in: the culture of atheism, Catholic doctrinal discussion, basic apologetics.  My style is to merely explain my stance and the Church's stance on whatever, argue a point or two, and move on.  About 10% of you atheists will give an honest to goodness debate that involves respect, intellect and curiosity – which is the reason I am here.  However, about 90% of the time I see a quick jab, a sarcastic remark, a (predictable) reference to pedophile priests and the Inquisition that may get a laugh from the peanut gallery, but in the end serves no ultimate purpose.  I honestly want to come back with a sarcastic rebuttal, then I hold back thinking “how do I want to be perceived in this debate?”  Sarcasm achieves so very little in my opinion that I wound up counting to 10, and repeated “calm blue ocean, calm blue ocean” 100 times and continued in debate (well, not really but you get my point).

I have been contemplating joining the discussion again, but I recall such a sarcastic backlash from many atheists in this forum on most of my posts that it seems such a colossal waste of time – what could possibly be accomplished?  So I ask, what IS the purpose, reason and meaning behind such useless and time wasting sarcastic remarks?  Pent up frustration?  A desire to dig into theists (particularly Catholics?)?  Get a laugh from your buddies?  What does sarcasm accomplish?  Because it wears on people and does not reflect well.

So I ask… should I come back and try to search some honest debate, or just leave knowing that the culture of sarcasm I discovered 6 years as is healthy as ever?  Why the all the sarcasm?

I suppose the best explanation for "why so sarcastic" is that it tends to be a good foil for ultra-serious religious fundamentalists and other opponents. I do find it a bit disturbing that a lot of people will make a sarcastic response and then not back it UP with a solid counter or debate, though... it does sort of undermine the point they're trying to make.

I'll admit, I have been guilty of this at times.

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Re: Atheists: What's with the sarcasm?
« Reply #130 on: March 07, 2012, 07:43:14 PM »
Nazis-- talk about the gift of a topic that keeps on giving!

Whether the Nazis were really religious or not, they certainly used the trappings of religion, esp. the most anti-Jewish aspects of Christianity. Nazis gave no free passes to atheists. The European communists were pretty atheistic, and the Nazi movement targeted communists for the camps because they were seen as a major threat.

The only specifically religious groups sent to camps, besides of course Jews, were Catholic leaders (competition for loyalty) and Jehovah's Witnesses (for refusal to chant nationalistic slogans, serve in the Nazi army or salute the Nazi flag).[1] Also wasn't the nazi slogan regarding the role of women a continuation of "Kinder, Küche, Kirche" - "Children, Kitchen, Church" trifecta from the 1890's Weimar?
 1. We were always supposed to remember and pray for the JW's being imprisoned for their faith around the world. As crazy as JW's are, I still have respect for their refusal to bow down to dictators and to accept torture before submitting. The Nazi's made JW's wear purple triangles.
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Re: Atheists: What's with the sarcasm?
« Reply #131 on: March 07, 2012, 07:52:08 PM »
The OP might also be mistaking serious statements for sarcasm.  He speaks of an atheist bringing up the Inquisition as a point of sarcasm. 

Well, to me, the Inquisition is not a joking matter.  To me, it goes to the heart of Christian Theology. 

Here's a quote from Thomas Aquinas:

'If forgers and malefactors are put to death by the secular power, there is much more reason for excommunicating and even putting to death one convicted of heresy.'

I look at this kind of stuff as being typical of religion.  Religious people tend to ignore, minimize, justify or otherwise excuse this kind of stuff. 

But if we can blame the KKK for burning crosses and lynchings, I don't see how we can let another group skate.  I am sure most KKK people never burn crosses or lynch anyone, it's just a few bad apples.  Why should we paint the KKK with a broad brush?

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Re: Atheists: What's with the sarcasm?
« Reply #132 on: March 07, 2012, 09:42:28 PM »
On the flip side of the coin, what percentage of Christians use the following arguments:
1) Stalin, Hitler and other atheists killed people. (Hitler's atheism is debateable btw. I'd say, he was a superstitious and certainly not a rationalist who wasn't a Christian despite his lifelong membership in the Catholic church.)

A life long member of the Catholic Church isn't a Christian?

Two quotes of Hitler:

"We were convinced that the people need and require this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out".


"For their interests [the Church's] cannot fail to coincide with ours [the National Socialists] alike in our fight against the symptoms of degeneracy in the world of to-day, in our fight against a Bolshevist culture, against atheistic movement, against criminality, and in our struggle for a consciousness of a community in our national life".

Yet you call this "debateable"


I'll call you "wrong"

Said topic is likely to derail the thread. Suffice to say, yes, its debateable. You've presented some of the points for him being Christian. That doesnt imply no other argunents exist.

Speer, who knew him in private, privided some evidence that Hitler had vaguevPagan beliefs. He also describedvHitler critising believers in private. He most certainly used the Christian church to suit thd
Needsvof the state. Many Christians willingly participatedvin the halocaust and previous encarnations of anti jewish pogroms certainly were Christian.

Hitler frequently exoressed superstitious beluefs and in particuoar ones about his own destiny. Again Speer is a goood source here.

Mein Kampf has verses that supoort both views. Somd seem pro jesuscand others anti church.


The best way to undrstand Hitler is that he was a nationalist. He was concerned about the German race. The church is described in mein kampf as an instrument of the state.

The swaztika was a pagan symbol of the sun. The black cross on the other hand was indeed a cross.

Its been a while since I looked into this.


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Re: Atheists: What's with the sarcasm?
« Reply #133 on: March 07, 2012, 11:13:52 PM »
Context, of course, is important when discussing the use of sarcasm. For the most part the sarcasm I see employed by atheists is due to a complete failure on the part of theists to engage in actual discussion. After all, when you have Godbot #34894326 making unsupported assertion after unsupported assertion, substantiating little more than how high they are on the Jesus juice, how is stimulating conversation to take place? How many ways can one respond to someone who spends an entire thread declaring themselves to be right and everyone else wrong while ignoring or dismissing most responses? And why would such a person be worthy of an iota of respect?

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Re: Atheists: What's with the sarcasm?
« Reply #134 on: March 09, 2012, 09:00:45 AM »
The OP might also be mistaking serious statements for sarcasm.  He speaks of an atheist bringing up the Inquisition as a point of sarcasm. 

Well, to me, the Inquisition is not a joking matter.  To me, it goes to the heart of Christian Theology. 

that's a good point.  I wonder if BSD Man (I see you peeking again  :)), would prefer to assume that we were only being "sarcastic" rather than being deadly serious about what we know about the religion and speficically the Roman Catholic Church.  Like you, I find that the religion consistently advocates for violence like the Inquisition in its god's name.  I find this to be one of the major problems with religion, Christianity and the RCC. 
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Re: Atheists: What's with the sarcasm?
« Reply #135 on: March 09, 2012, 09:26:20 AM »

Said topic is likely to derail the thread. Suffice to say, yes, its debateable. You've presented some of the points for him being Christian. That doesnt imply no other argunents exist.

Speer, who knew him in private, privided some evidence that Hitler had vaguevPagan beliefs. He also describedvHitler critising believers in private. He most certainly used the Christian church to suit thd
Needsvof the state. Many Christians willingly participatedvin the halocaust and previous encarnations of anti jewish pogroms certainly were Christian.

Hitler frequently exoressed superstitious beluefs and in particuoar ones about his own destiny. Again Speer is a goood source here.

Mein Kampf has verses that supoort both views. Somd seem pro jesuscand others anti church.


The best way to undrstand Hitler is that he was a nationalist. He was concerned about the German race. The church is described in mein kampf as an instrument of the state.

The swaztika was a pagan symbol of the sun. The black cross on the other hand was indeed a cross.

Its been a while since I looked into this.

You said it was debateable if he was an atheist. There are no credible, supportable, or reasonable arguments for that.

As to his Christianity...that might be a touch debatable, sure. He certainly however did, even privately, maintain that Jesus was devine...which meets the definition of Christian as far as I and most people are concerned.
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Re: Atheists: What's with the sarcasm?
« Reply #136 on: March 09, 2012, 10:09:47 AM »
Hey, isn't jesus on EVERYONE's side? Good, bad, indifferent and everyone in between? All you have to do is "in your heart" mutter the magic words and Jesus is pulling for your side INCLUDING the Lords Resistance Army.. I bet they muttered the magic words too.  :o
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Re: Atheists: What's with the sarcasm?
« Reply #137 on: March 09, 2012, 10:22:19 AM »

Said topic is likely to derail the thread. Suffice to say, yes, its debateable. You've presented some of the points for him being Christian. That doesnt imply no other argunents exist.

Speer, who knew him in private, privided some evidence that Hitler had vaguevPagan beliefs. He also describedvHitler critising believers in private. He most certainly used the Christian church to suit thd
Needsvof the state. Many Christians willingly participatedvin the halocaust and previous encarnations of anti jewish pogroms certainly were Christian.

Hitler frequently exoressed superstitious beluefs and in particuoar ones about his own destiny. Again Speer is a goood source here.

Mein Kampf has verses that supoort both views. Somd seem pro jesuscand others anti church.


The best way to undrstand Hitler is that he was a nationalist. He was concerned about the German race. The church is described in mein kampf as an instrument of the state.

The swaztika was a pagan symbol of the sun. The black cross on the other hand was indeed a cross.

Its been a while since I looked into this.

You said it was debateable if he was an atheist. There are no credible, supportable, or reasonable arguments for that.

As to his Christianity...that might be a touch debatable, sure. He certainly however did, even privately, maintain that Jesus was devine...which meets the definition of Christian as far as I and most people are concerned.

This article from Pharyngula (from three days ago) might help clarify the Hitler/Nazi religious position a bit.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2012/03/06/veeery-interestink/

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Re: Atheists: What's with the sarcasm?
« Reply #138 on: March 10, 2012, 01:45:42 AM »
For my part, it's not sarcasm against the religiously afflicted: It's baiting and teasing retards.

As for the nazis, every uniform had 'Gott Mit Uns' all over it.

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Re: Atheists: What's with the sarcasm?
« Reply #139 on: March 11, 2012, 02:21:23 AM »
Dont you all get it? Change will never/hardly come about through a website like this.  Wonder what the percentage is that change from a believer to a non- believer through this site is.  I would think its very very small.  The people that are coming to this site that are believers (spiritual, religious) are coming in defense, which makes it even harder to think rationally/humbly.

When a person changes (at least me and a few others), they do it on their own terms with no force or outside persuasion.  So the more you guys try, the less it helps no matter how smart you are.   This place is a great outlet for similar ideas.  I hate how the majority are zombies in this world.

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Re: Atheists: What's with the sarcasm?
« Reply #140 on: March 11, 2012, 07:01:17 AM »
I get it. This website is aimed at education, which may or may not lead somebody to change their views - some people find it as great support, others find it a great place to debate even if they do not win or succumb to other people's arguments it can mean strengthening of arguments either side and I think it allows people to learn how the other thinks and why the other thinks that way. Take this topic for example, a theist wants to know why atheists are sarcastic, he can walk away from this knowing what people have argued and he ought to be conscious the next time an atheist makes a sarcastic comment and perhaps analyse what he's saying. Of course, he may also not.

It also pumps information into people's heads, if the theist is to question their faith at a later date they've got some answers to those questions, they may not HAVE to look to their religious texts or ask a preacher of their religion to answer those questions, but have an alternate source of answers that may make more sense to them when they are questioning their faith and decide actually, religion is not for them. The trouble is a lot of religious people are religious out of indoctrination and of course it makes them hard to crack, but they can crack, but only when they start asking the questions. I know some people who ask questions and have themselves challenged to debate to strengthen their faith, but do not engage in the tactics some debaters here do - a group of Christians told me Christians SHOULD question their faith, because they will not find answers otherwise. I know it might make some people cry at the thought, but a site like this could question people's faith enough to make it stronger, provided they find the right answers to those questions.
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Re: Atheists: What's with the sarcasm?
« Reply #141 on: March 11, 2012, 09:38:09 AM »
For me, this website is about hanging out with like minds. I feel at home here, like I'm in a circle of friends. In a country that's overwhelmingly christian, this is a place where I can let my hair down (which sometimes includes sarcasm) without too much concern of negative judgement. Anything else is gravy.
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Re: Atheists: What's with the sarcasm?
« Reply #142 on: March 11, 2012, 02:48:51 PM »
For me, this website is about hanging out with like minds. I feel at home here, like I'm in a circle of friends. In a country that's overwhelmingly christian, this is a place where I can let my hair down (which sometimes includes sarcasm) without too much concern of negative judgement. Anything else is gravy.

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Re: Atheists: What's with the sarcasm?
« Reply #143 on: March 11, 2012, 03:48:17 PM »
Dont you all get it? Change will never/hardly come about through a website like this.  Wonder what the percentage is that change from a believer to a non- believer through this site is.  I would think its very very small.

Just as the Christians say that all of their hard work in proselytizing is worth it if even one person converts, I say all of our hard work here is worth it if even one person learns to think critically.
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Re: Atheists: What's with the sarcasm?
« Reply #144 on: March 11, 2012, 03:51:49 PM »
Vynn de-converted from christianity on this forum. It was a beautiful process, and although I'm not sure where he went, I certainly miss his posts.
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