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Re: A Debate: Augusto vs. Lucifer - Commentary Thread
« Reply #174 on: February 27, 2012, 04:35:19 PM »
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I'm going to do some work in the construction of a universal moral code, after I finish my two first books. It shouldn't be hard.

I hope he doesn't mean "objective" moral code. Otherwise he's gonna fail completely.
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Re: A Debate: Augusto vs. Lucifer - Commentary Thread
« Reply #175 on: February 27, 2012, 04:40:55 PM »
^^^I hope he doesn't mean finish writing his first two books! :)

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Okay, then I accept I lose the debate, you win (even if you were not in the official debate topic).

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I already have the explanation to humans being driven to believe, it's going to be published sometime around this year. And with that being said, I have nothing left and the weight of atheist arguments is pretty much absolute as far as I know, unless anyone in here have some arguments, reason would dictate we shouldn't believe in God.
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Re: A Debate: Augusto vs. Lucifer - Commentary Thread
« Reply #176 on: February 27, 2012, 05:27:00 PM »



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I'm going to do some work in the construction of a universal moral code, after I finish my two first books. It shouldn't be hard.

Is he going to try and connect his "universal moral code" to string theory?  Are you, Augusto?  .....  ;D
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Re: A Debate: Augusto vs. Lucifer - Commentary Thread
« Reply #177 on: February 27, 2012, 05:45:52 PM »
If you have to construct it, then it's not a universal moral code.

Sorry.
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Re: A Debate: Augusto vs. Lucifer - Commentary Thread
« Reply #178 on: February 27, 2012, 09:07:49 PM »
Am I the only one whose head is spinning here? What just happened? I even went over and read the "debate" at IGI, most of which seemed pretty incomprehensible (and I don't think I'm THAT dense)...and all of a sudden, with what seemed like virtually no real argument, Augusto concedes that the theist position is indefensible? WTF?

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Re: A Debate: Augusto vs. Lucifer - Commentary Thread
« Reply #179 on: February 27, 2012, 09:17:22 PM »
Gravity is not a force, per se. Gravity is a side-effect of spacetime distortions caused by particles with mass.

I thought they were:

Weakest to strongest

1) Gravity
2) Electromagnetism
3) Weak Nuclear Force
4) Strong Nuclear Force

True. I was speaking purely from the PoV of a layman (which I thought was fair, given the level of... intelligence Augusto has displayed). When a layman thinks of "force", it's usually an object attracting or repelling another (or pushing/pulling another object). Gravity doesn't actually work that way, although it might seem like it.
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Re: A Debate: Augusto vs. Lucifer - Commentary Thread
« Reply #180 on: February 27, 2012, 09:33:43 PM »
Force is simply the acceleration of a mass.  Gravity does that.
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Re: A Debate: Augusto vs. Lucifer - Commentary Thread
« Reply #181 on: February 27, 2012, 09:35:45 PM »
Poe?  A plant from IGI!!! Say it ain't so!

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Re: A Debate: Augusto vs. Lucifer - Commentary Thread
« Reply #182 on: February 27, 2012, 09:36:39 PM »
Force is simply the acceleration of a mass.  Gravity does that.

Layman's PoV. I know what force is. F=ma
Can you honestly tell me that laymen know that formula or even what it means?

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Totally isn't either one.
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Re: A Debate: Augusto vs. Lucifer - Commentary Thread
« Reply #183 on: February 27, 2012, 09:48:33 PM »
Force is simply the acceleration of a mass.  Gravity does that.

Layman's PoV. I know what force is. F=ma
Can you honestly tell me that laymen know that formula or even what it means?

They may not be familiar with the formula, but "accelerating a mass" is a pretty simple concept.
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Re: A Debate: Augusto vs. Lucifer - Commentary Thread
« Reply #184 on: February 27, 2012, 09:50:58 PM »
They may not be familiar with the formula, but "accelerating a mass" is a pretty simple concept.

And do you think they're aware of this concept?
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Re: A Debate: Augusto vs. Lucifer - Commentary Thread
« Reply #185 on: February 27, 2012, 10:08:53 PM »
Maybe, maybe not.  But I doubt it would be hard to explain.  And it can be easily demonstrated with some simple objects.
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Re: A Debate: Augusto vs. Lucifer - Commentary Thread
« Reply #186 on: February 28, 2012, 03:02:34 AM »
Maybe, maybe not.  But I doubt it would be hard to explain.  And it can be easily demonstrated with some simple objects.

True. Now read Augusto's posts, come back, and tell me you think he's aware of that concept.
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Re: A Debate: Augusto vs. Lucifer - Commentary Thread
« Reply #187 on: February 28, 2012, 03:26:21 AM »
Would you ever get over it...? seriously.

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Re: A Debate: Augusto vs. Lucifer - Commentary Thread
« Reply #188 on: February 28, 2012, 03:29:06 AM »
Would you ever get over it...? seriously.

Who? We're just having fun now. Nobody is actually interested in addressing you (AFAIK).
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Re: A Debate: Augusto vs. Lucifer - Commentary Thread
« Reply #189 on: February 28, 2012, 04:08:06 AM »
Would you ever get over it...? seriously.

Who? We're just having fun now. Nobody is actually interested in addressing you (AFAIK).

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Re: A Debate: Augusto vs. Lucifer - Commentary Thread
« Reply #190 on: February 28, 2012, 04:18:13 AM »
True. I was speaking purely from the PoV of a layman (which I thought was fair, given the level of... intelligence Augusto has displayed). When a layman thinks of "force", it's usually an object attracting or repelling another (or pushing/pulling another object). Gravity doesn't actually work that way, although it might seem like it.

I see where you were going now. No need to pull out the rubber mat and the balls of different sizes and weights.

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Re: A Debate: Augusto vs. Lucifer - Commentary Thread
« Reply #191 on: February 28, 2012, 10:26:03 AM »
Am I the only one whose head is spinning here? What just happened? I even went over and read the "debate" at IGI, most of which seemed pretty incomprehensible (and I don't think I'm THAT dense)...and all of a sudden, with what seemed like virtually no real argument, Augusto concedes that the theist position is indefensible? WTF?

I'm discussing this with Augusto right now in the debate commentary thread, if you are interested.
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Re: A Debate: Augusto vs. Lucifer - Commentary Thread
« Reply #192 on: February 28, 2012, 01:59:18 PM »
Not thanks to this community however, you should learn some education.

I had no idea. Augusto is George Bush II!

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Re: A Debate: Augusto vs. Lucifer - Commentary Thread
« Reply #193 on: February 28, 2012, 09:46:18 PM »
Am I the only one whose head is spinning here? What just happened? I even went over and read the "debate" at IGI, most of which seemed pretty incomprehensible (and I don't think I'm THAT dense)...and all of a sudden, with what seemed like virtually no real argument, Augusto concedes that the theist position is indefensible? WTF?

The head-spinning can stop now. Augusto is a theist again with a gusto!

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Re: A Debate: Augusto vs. Lucifer - Commentary Thread
« Reply #194 on: February 28, 2012, 10:06:22 PM »
No Sun king, you're mistaken. That was a bunch of joking arguments.

Nevertheless, since you're browsing the other forum, I would like to get some opinions on this: http://isgodimaginary.com/forum/index.php/topic,50325.0.html

It is some information of a book I'm working in.

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Re: A Debate: Augusto vs. Lucifer - Commentary Thread
« Reply #195 on: February 28, 2012, 11:51:52 PM »
A book you're working on?
Pardon me if I don't take you entirely seriously on this.

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Re: A Debate: Augusto vs. Lucifer - Commentary Thread
« Reply #196 on: February 29, 2012, 09:17:35 AM »
I am, it's going to be published this year (in Spanish first, later in other languages).

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Re: A Debate: Augusto vs. Lucifer - Commentary Thread
« Reply #197 on: February 29, 2012, 09:23:43 AM »
And based upon all you've said in the other forum...it'll be a doozey!

I especially liked the part that said:

The memory is not a pendrive, it is alive.
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Re: A Debate: Augusto vs. Lucifer - Commentary Thread
« Reply #198 on: February 29, 2012, 09:40:14 AM »
Maybe we were too hasty in asking you to go away!

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I am not joking, you're taking to one of the most important persons of this century, and since I'm being honest, I'll say it all: by artificial intelligence I mean machines with the ability to think and feel emotions just like any human being... I know how "the soul" works.

This is the biggest humanistic work since the beggining of humanity, and I am bigger than Descartes, Freud, Aristotle or any other.

Now let me say it all: I am pointing at changing the world as a whole in so many aspects that you wouldn't be able to digest, and I'm weird enought to come to this forum and say it, and explain part of the escence of my work to everyone before publishing my book.

There is a language barrier Monkeymind :( but read it all carefully and ask whatever you like.

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Re: A Debate: Augusto vs. Lucifer - Commentary Thread
« Reply #199 on: February 29, 2012, 10:10:24 AM »
Did I said human brain? I meant memory...! *Gonna check and fix*

Edit: I said memory, you miss-read.

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Re: A Debate: Augusto vs. Lucifer - Commentary Thread
« Reply #200 on: February 29, 2012, 11:50:31 AM »

looking forward to the book. I'm sure I won't have to go searching too hard to find it, seeing as how it will change the face of the world and all...

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Re: A Debate: Augusto vs. Lucifer - Commentary Thread
« Reply #201 on: February 29, 2012, 12:53:11 PM »

looking forward to the book. I'm sure I won't have to go searching too hard to find it, seeing as how it will change the face of the world and all...

It is coming out in Spanish first.  I'd be delighted to read it in Spanish, and offer a synopsis for the forum in English. 

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Re: A Debate: Augusto vs. Lucifer - Commentary Thread
« Reply #202 on: February 29, 2012, 01:00:41 PM »
Nice of you to offer, but I think I'll wait for the movie to come out.
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