So Grog, you're implying Lucifer discovered his argument by himself? cool... let's see what else he discovered, and good luck on bringing Lord Anthony Horton in here, and good luck at disproving him, while so far neither of you seem able to disprove my very first argument.
Also, a note for those who want to meditate: This is not supposed to be your war, more likely atheists should be critical, and driven to follow reason instead of a religious group.
What if I destroy all of Lucifer's arguments? would you still be atheists? would you deny the weight of any argument to sustain yours? honor the atheist position by following reason, because without that, you're a religion without god(s) and without rules, that is the worst religion ever.
The point of the debate is to expose all the reasons we know of to support both positions, and to determine which one have more weight. Atheists should, by concept, follow the position with more weight. This is the logical thing to do, otherwise you're a fanatic, and I should be posting on a forum of whatever religion to explain them why it is false (and would get the same hate and bashing I'm getting here).
The invitation is to THINK. No brainwashing here, just reason.