A Debate: Augusto vs. Lucifer - Commentary Thread

[One Above All]

Augusto:

I'm going to do some work in the construction of a universal moral code, after I finish my two first books. It shouldn't be hard.

I hope he doesn't mean "objective" moral code. Otherwise he's gonna fail completely.

[monkeymind]

^^^I hope he doesn't mean finish writing his first two books!

Re: Moose vs Augusto On God Comment thread
« Reply #55 on: Today at 02:35:22 PM »
Okay, then I accept I lose the debate, you win (even if you were not in the official debate topic).

ADDED:
I already have the explanation to humans being driven to believe, it's going to be published sometime around this year. And with that being said, I have nothing left and the weight of atheist arguments is pretty much absolute as far as I know, unless anyone in here have some arguments, reason would dictate we shouldn't believe in God.

[The Wannabe]

Augusto:

I'm going to do some work in the construction of a universal moral code, after I finish my two first books. It shouldn't be hard.

Is he going to try and connect his "universal moral code" to string theory?  Are you, Augusto?  ..... 

[Azdgari]

If you have to construct it, then it's not a universal moral code.

Sorry.

[jynnan tonnix]

Am I the only one whose head is spinning here? What just happened? I even went over and read the "debate" at IGI, most of which seemed pretty incomprehensible (and I don't think I'm THAT dense)...and all of a sudden, with what seemed like virtually no real argument, Augusto concedes that the theist position is indefensible? WTF?

[One Above All]

Gravity is not a force, per se. Gravity is a side-effect of spacetime distortions caused by particles with mass.

I thought they were:

Weakest to strongest

1) Gravity
2) Electromagnetism
3) Weak Nuclear Force
4) Strong Nuclear Force

True. I was speaking purely from the PoV of a layman (which I thought was fair, given the level of... intelligence Augusto has displayed). When a layman thinks of "force", it's usually an object attracting or repelling another (or pushing/pulling another object). Gravity doesn't actually work that way, although it might seem like it.

[Azdgari]

Force is simply the acceleration of a mass.  Gravity does that.

[jetson]

Poe?  A plant from IGI!!! Say it ain't so!

[One Above All]

Force is simply the acceleration of a mass.  Gravity does that.

Layman's PoV. I know what force is. F=ma
Can you honestly tell me that laymen know that formula or even what it means?

Poe?  A plant from IGI!!! Say it ain't so!

Totally isn't either one.

[Azdgari]

Force is simply the acceleration of a mass.  Gravity does that.

Layman's PoV. I know what force is. F=ma
Can you honestly tell me that laymen know that formula or even what it means?

They may not be familiar with the formula, but "accelerating a mass" is a pretty simple concept.

[One Above All]

They may not be familiar with the formula, but "accelerating a mass" is a pretty simple concept.

And do you think they're aware of this concept?

[Azdgari]

Maybe, maybe not.  But I doubt it would be hard to explain.  And it can be easily demonstrated with some simple objects.

[One Above All]

Maybe, maybe not.  But I doubt it would be hard to explain.  And it can be easily demonstrated with some simple objects.

True. Now read Augusto's posts, come back, and tell me you think he's aware of that concept.

[Augusto]

Would you ever get over it...? seriously.

[One Above All]

Would you ever get over it...? seriously.

Who? We're just having fun now. Nobody is actually interested in addressing you (AFAIK).

[Ate The Ism]

Would you ever get over it...? seriously.

Who? We're just having fun now. Nobody is actually interested in addressing you (AFAIK).

BURRRN

[Ivellios]

True. I was speaking purely from the PoV of a layman (which I thought was fair, given the level of... intelligence Augusto has displayed). When a layman thinks of "force", it's usually an object attracting or repelling another (or pushing/pulling another object). Gravity doesn't actually work that way, although it might seem like it.

I see where you were going now. No need to pull out the rubber mat and the balls of different sizes and weights.

[monkeymind]

Am I the only one whose head is spinning here? What just happened? I even went over and read the "debate" at IGI, most of which seemed pretty incomprehensible (and I don't think I'm THAT dense)...and all of a sudden, with what seemed like virtually no real argument, Augusto concedes that the theist position is indefensible? WTF?

I'm discussing this with Augusto right now in the debate commentary thread, if you are interested.

[ParkingPlaces]

Not thanks to this community however, you should learn some education.

I had no idea. Augusto is George Bush II!

I could never have voted for you under any set of circumstances, but welcome anyway, Mr. President!

[sun_king]

Am I the only one whose head is spinning here? What just happened? I even went over and read the "debate" at IGI, most of which seemed pretty incomprehensible (and I don't think I'm THAT dense)...and all of a sudden, with what seemed like virtually no real argument, Augusto concedes that the theist position is indefensible? WTF?

The head-spinning can stop now. Augusto is a theist again with a gusto!

"I am sorry for my latest post, I do want to continue with the debate, if possible. I've found tons of evidence I would like to submit, not to argue the possibility of God's existence, but to PROVE His existence...!"

The pulsar PSR B1509-58 seems to be latest fad (http://chandra.harvard.edu/photo/2009/b1509/)

[Augusto]

No Sun king, you're mistaken. That was a bunch of joking arguments.

Nevertheless, since you're browsing the other forum, I would like to get some opinions on this: http://isgodimaginary.com/forum/index.php/topic,50325.0.html

It is some information of a book I'm working in.

[MadBunny]

A book you're working on?
Pardon me if I don't take you entirely seriously on this.

[Augusto]

I am, it's going to be published this year (in Spanish first, later in other languages).

[monkeymind]

And based upon all you've said in the other forum...it'll be a doozey!

I especially liked the part that said:

The memory is not a pendrive, it is alive.

[monkeymind]

Maybe we were too hasty in asking you to go away!

I am not joking, you're taking to one of the most important persons of this century, and since I'm being honest, I'll say it all: by artificial intelligence I mean machines with the ability to think and feel emotions just like any human being... I know how "the soul" works.

This is the biggest humanistic work since the beggining of humanity, and I am bigger than Descartes, Freud, Aristotle or any other.

Now let me say it all: I am pointing at changing the world as a whole in so many aspects that you wouldn't be able to digest, and I'm weird enought to come to this forum and say it, and explain part of the escence of my work to everyone before publishing my book.

There is a language barrier Monkeymind but read it all carefully and ask whatever you like.

*Waiting for the rain of negative Karma from everyone*

[Augusto]

Did I said human brain? I meant memory...! *Gonna check and fix*

Edit: I said memory, you miss-read.

[jynnan tonnix]

looking forward to the book. I'm sure I won't have to go searching too hard to find it, seeing as how it will change the face of the world and all...

[Quesi]

looking forward to the book. I'm sure I won't have to go searching too hard to find it, seeing as how it will change the face of the world and all...

It is coming out in Spanish first.  I'd be delighted to read it in Spanish, and offer a synopsis for the forum in English. 

[monkeymind]

Nice of you to offer, but I think I'll wait for the movie to come out.