Yes, I do need evidence. I am not saying I belive in god. I am a person of logic. You make good arguement and I just realized that I posted in a thread irrelevant to the message I have tried to give. but the lifestyle jesus wants to people to live, in my opinion seems like a good way. he may have not been a god but he has made an impact. he was probably just a genius, an einstein of his past and people were probaby dumb as ever back then.
OK, so you like this person's morals, the guy called "Jesus". Use them then. You don't have to believe in gods to use a morality that suits you.
the christians I know from the church I go to, most have careers in science.
Most have careers in science? So? That means nothing as far as their beliefs in gods goes. Either what they believe can be verified or it can't. Their career choices don't make their beliefs correct. You should know that. That's why I don't trust your claim that you are educated in physics. C'mon, what's going on here?
You are right, I don't have to believe in god to believe in his morals.
I suspect you didn't mean that comment to imply "god's" morals are real, as in human morality as handed down by god.
You don't have to believe in god to have morals, as I'm sure your prior atheist life is evidence enough...
That was my intention in the beginning, to learn the morals and gain knowledge.
You are faintly condemning everyone outside of xianity to a inferred lack of morals, and you certainly only gain knowledge of the xian myth and its effect in the world by learning about xianity. There is little other knowledge to gain as the secular-like search for knowledge is somewhat frowned upon when faith is the only allowed tool.
I agree with a lot of it.
Yes but I guarantee you the morality with which you feel sympatico is not xianity's alone, it is a prevalent humanist philosophy that xianity has adopted from what came before.
It has nothing to do with gods.
Faith, imagination is the argument for their belief in god.
No mate, that is their requirement
for belief in god. So far they've offered no compelling arguement or evidence at all.
Again you cannot say their good behaviour is evidence of god as it is countered by the good behaviour of atheists which obviously requires no gods.
I guess, I am trying to force myself to believe in god, to become a Christian.
Do you think you could force yourself to believe in the hindu pantheon?
Absence of intellectual honesty is the only way you'll ever believe the myth, and no doubt you'll be always subject to cognititive dissonance every day of your life.
My girlfriend, a girl I want to eventually marry is getting baptized.
So now the real motive appears
I can become a Christian and live like them but one of the requirements is to believe in god and I do not want to be a hypocrite
....well you could have a lobotomy,
otherwise how are you going to believe in something that just isn't true, and you know isn't true?
yet I don't want to gullible.
....well there goes any shot you might have of truly believing.
I don't know what to suggest bloke. It sounds very much as though you are in a classic quandary where the girl of your dreams is getting baptised, and you must be complicit in her delusion to remain with her.
That's tough. I really cannot say more than I cannot imagine living a lie (ie displaying a false belief in god) is a good basis for a marriage, but that is only my opinion.
good luck mate, I watch with humanist empathy.
There is no bloody god.