well, Provoker, it seems that you are quite confused in what you want to claim. all of this Christain nonsense and then you seem to be trying to portray yourself as not a Christain at all.
If you are confused about what I am saying, then your ask questions, not make statements...LOL
Unfortunately, this is a written medium and one can see your claims and how they are wrong. All of this insistence about the “10 Commandments” and when called on how idiotic your claims are, you try to ignore that with attempts at being funny. Yes, I know that the myths in the bible claim that there were stone tablets. Again, that does nothing to support your claims that they are the only commandments. There is nothing to separate them from the “mitzvot laws”. You’d know this if you actually read the bible or weren't so desperate to avoid having to acknowledge them as laws that Jews and Christians have to obey.
You can assume whatever you want about me, and you can assume that you know everything about scripture, but if you would drop the negative innuendo, and the ignorant accusations, you might find out why I write what I write. Don't be so anxious to deliver the coup de grace, when you haven't even figured out what we disagree on...LOL If you assume that I am hedging on any issue, don't start making knee jerk accusations, ask the logical question. I will be happy to answer any question(on issue) to your satisfaction.
It’s so cute to watch a Christain, because I’m quite sure that’s what you are, making claims and then declaring that you don’t care what the Jews think since you unilaterally and baselessly claim that
As far as the Jews are concerned, they don't even believe what they claim to believe, so whether they agree with me or not is not a problem to me...LOL Such a lovely cliam by one more Christian who evidently thinks he’s psychic.
Wow!!! You are more serious about your atheism than anyone I know who is serious about being a Christian. In fact, you protestation is so serious that you give the impressiion that you are a Christian in denial...LOL However, the Jews of Jesus day were backslidden from the faith which Jesus was preaching. You see, Jesus came specificially to heal the backsliding of the Jews. The reason the Jews were backslidden is because they had transferred the zeal they once had for the faith, to the ritual practice of Jewish religious laws and traditions. Except for the Jews who returned to the faith during the apostolic era, the Jews are still backslidden from the faith, and for the very same reason.
I do believe that you are presuming rather than reading...LOL When you invent the arguement you think I made, and then comment on it, it is either a strawman, or you were just not paying attention to what I said. Not only that but I dare say that you have never ever ever heard anyone even suggest anything close to what I have said. You are going to have to pay attention if you want to make comments which make any sense:-) Oh this is fun. I do love how you now try to claim I invent something. Sorry, again, you seem to miss that this is a written medium and I am addressing just what you wrote.
Yes, this is a written medium, and theoretically will exist forever. So You
be careful what you say:-)
You’ve made claims in that lovely quote from you all about the Covenant Israel and I am asking you to clarify them by telling me how large is large enough for your claim of the “end times” to come true? I’m guessing you don’t want to answer since this would actually pin your nonsense down and make you just as stupid looking as Harold Camping. How many more years do we have to wait for yoru god to return?
Exactly as I figured. You are guessing...LOL
Your "you all" is completely wasted, as is your guessing. In fact, you are more like Harold Camping than anyone I know...LOL
First, I have said nothing about God returning. Is that something you read from my mind? I think you should just sit back in the peanut gallery and let someone else depose me. You are trying to get way ahead of what you think you know...LOL
(Do you still beat your wife? Answer yes or no!) Even though you asked your question in such a presumptuous way that I cannot logically answer it, I will answer the question that I think you meant to, or should have, asked: "Large enough" means enough people to conquer and occupy all the land between the Euphrates and the river of Egypt, which is the land defined in God's everlasting, unconditional, good news promise to Abraham.
I don't have any imaginary friends. All my friends are real. I'm not sure that you are actually reading what I write. Are you reading someone else's posts and putting the answers under my posts? Yes, you did say you know this, you poor thing.
By the way, I didn't say that I know this. All I'm saying is that it is what the story of the bible says. You can believe it or not, but at least make some comments which make me think you are actually reading my stuff...LOL
However, God knows that even when Covenant Israel is resurrected from the dead, it would break the 10 commandments and fall away again. You made the claim that this is true by posting it as a fact.
What a dreamer:-( Do you really think that everything I write is something that I think I know? I know that what I write is part of the story of the bible. I also know that whether or not you believe that it is part of the story, does not change the fact that it is part of the story. Try to keep in mind that I have made no claims of having any knowledge of biblical truth, but my claim is that I know that there is a continuous, logical, story running through scripture, which has been covered up and ignored by all who take it upon themselves to make claims about bible truth.
pity that now you have to deal with people who actually question the shit you’ve thrown at the wall to see if it would stick.
You haven't actually asked a question about what I have written. You have simply accused me of saying things which you presumed that I might say, but actually did not. I certainly am to be pittied if everyone here makes up arguements that they think I might make, and then accuse me of making them...LOL
You did not say that you were “just” quoting from the bible. But since you want to do this now, please do show where the bible says such things as you’ve claimed. You see, I know that you are just one more Christian who thinks his interpretation is the only right one.
How could you know that? What is your definition of a Christian? You think you know way too much, for one who doesn't have a clue about what she is talking about.
Do you not see how ridiculous your questions are? If you want me to show where the bible says all the things I have claimed, which you actually only think I claimed:-), I would simply say; read the bible for the chronologically continuous story which flows through it. It's a story, and a story is only defined by the story. I don't have a bunch of standard verses which have been doctrinally selected to support my position. If that is what you expect, then I am becoming more convinced that you are a Christian in denial.
There you go, talking to yourself. If you are trying to read my mind you are not doing very well...LOL God is not involved with man. When He finished creation He declared it good and sat down. Anyone who thinks for himself can see that that is a metaphore meaning that God's plan did not extend past creation, and we are on our own. It’s so sweet to see you desperately try to disavow what you’ve posted do you don’t have to answer my questions but in doing so give more evidence that you do believe this nonsense that you’re claiming. Keep going. And oh, you’ve gotten your magic decoder ring out and are trying to declare that your interpretation is the only “right” one. So, Prov, why didn’t your god do something so simple rather than screwing around for thousands of years like your myths say?
Can't you keep your mind on anything long enough to type a sentence? I just stated that God is not involved with man, and I gave you the reason why I say that, and immediately you ask me why God does not do the things that are in the myths about Him. There is little point in you asking me questions, if you are going to ignore my answers, and just rant about whatever you imagine...LOL I think you should settle down and become rational, before you respond to this post. Apply the common rules of English composition to what I write, and be completely sure that you understand what I said.
What you, I, or anyone else thinks of the bible, is beside the point. I'm not suggesting that you have to believe it, I'm just telling you what the story of the bible is. No, it’s not “beside the point”.
Here is something to think about: You don't have a clue about what I believe, and what I don't...LOL
OK, give me one logical reason why what you, I, or anyone else believes about the bible, has to do with the fact that there is a continuous, logical, story running through the bible. That story will still be there regardless of what anyone thinks. Use a little common sense eh?
You have come on to this forum making claims as if they were facts.
If we were discussing Shakespeare, would you accuse me of stating that Romeo was an actual person? Get real!!!:-)
Now, when you are shown your are wrong, suddenly you claim that you aren’t suggesting that we believe it.
Do you know the symptoms of raging paranoia? Look at what you are writing.
Dear, you tried to make it that we did. You are telling us what *you* think the story of the bible is and I do love that since I can see just how theists disagree in their supposed “truth”. And I can make an educated guess what you believe just from what you’ve written.
You have already made a bunch of uneducated guesses, and you have missed the mark every time. Virtually nothing you have accused me of, or assumed that I said, did, or believe, is even close to fact.
Alas for you, that does contain plenty of clues. You’ve made claims that you have used “logic” and of course can’t show that you have. You claim that the bible is “continuous and chronological” and one complete story when it can be demonstrated that it is not.
Please, by all means, demonstrate that scripture is not a chronologically continuous story. Simply making a statement is not evidence. I am perfectly happy to demonstrate how scripture is a chronologically continuous story, and explain why that has been covered up, but I think you should settle down and become rational before I do that:-)
Now, I have read the bible through from front to back at least twice, onces as a Christain once as not. So again, your claims that one gets some magical insight from doing this is nonsense too. So many Chrsitians, so many lies about how their versions are the only “right” ones. Too bad for all of you that we have the internet and sources like Wikipedia to see just how ridiculous you are with your self-projection as your god so you get one that agrees with your own very human desires and hatreds. You decide what is literal and what is metaphor; you decide what your god “really” meant. No god needed at all, just one more Christian who wants to declare all of those “other” Christians wrong.
OK, now I understand:-( You feel a whole lot of guilt for leaving the church, and I am supposed to be your substitute, and take the punishment for you. Your rant at me is obviously a Freudian attempt to punish yourself, because nothing you have said here applies to me, or anything I have written here.
EDIT: I wonder if Prov is a Mormon, They seem fascinated by "Convenant Israel"
If you think I am a mormon, I'm sure you are the only one here who does. The whole story of scripture is about Covenant Israel, because God chose Covenant Israel to fulfill His everlasting, unconditional, gospel promise. Anyone who has read the bible through twice, should know that.
I will happily answer any question regarding my opinion of what the bible teaches, and I'm sure you will be happy to know that it is nothing like you believed when your were a Christian.edit - quote fixed