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Old High School buddy on FB. Help.
« on: February 15, 2012, 07:51:49 PM »
This was posted by one of my best friends from high school (class of 1980).  Would you respond and if so what would you say knowing that gods are imaginary.


To all of my friends... If you didn't know I just had open heart surgery 6 days ago, Wow! What a surprise it was for us! Did not see this coming... no heart attack though and I should have a full recovery in time. This brings me to ask you a favor on this day of my 50th birthday... Let's say a birthday present to me. If you haven't already, please take time to really begin to understand yourself spiritually. You are a unique incredible creation, beyond anything we can image inside this body you live in today.
Our time in this dynamic place is very important, for here we are to learn and to intimately understand the results of acts of the goodness of man and the damage that acts of evil played out in this temperary world. But more than anything else, we are to again, make a connection with God for whom we have lost through our own devices and self centerness.
God does not ask you to build a ladder to him by your good works or your deeds, but simply, in your freewill, standing right where you are at in your life, hold up your hand and ask to to be led to the full creation he desires you to be. You can not even know how you will begin to see life and learn to fully love each other for what we really are, unique incredable creations that will live beyond this place.
I know you must be going, wow that Rudd must be some kind of holy roller or something... No, not at all, I asked God to reveal himself when I was 21 partying and playing in a rockband. Really read the bible smoking a joint. Glad I got over that little vise. He teaches me every day, do I think I'm at some holy state, heck no! But I would have to say this for sure, I have learned to greatly love and appreciate all of you, you are what is making my life full here. You are the fullness of my life and I thank you for that.
A spiritual life is not a bunch of Religion dictating right and wrong, but journey of anything you can image custom built for you.
Well that enough said... I have wrote more on facebook here, than anytime since I made the account several years ago.
I'm one to talk as most of you know, really to a fault. Not much for writing.
Hey, God Bless and thank you for the kind words.

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Re: Old High School buddy on FB. Help.
« Reply #1 on: February 15, 2012, 08:46:21 PM »
What purpose would it serve?  If the two of you were to sit down over a couple of beers and discuss how your lives have led you to very different worldviews, that would be one thing.  But attacking someone’s deeply held beliefs, on facebook, during a really difficult time in that person’s life, will accomplish nothing. 

My advice would be to say something about being glad the surgery went well.  Maybe even send wishes that he will be back to playing rock and roll soon or something like that.  Or say nothing at all. 

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« Reply #2 on: February 15, 2012, 09:15:55 PM »
Yeah, Id let it go.  The guy is at one of those points in life.  Let him float his own boat.
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« Reply #3 on: February 15, 2012, 09:31:53 PM »
Sounds a tad gimpy because of surgery and facing mortality. Some handle it well while others don't. If it were me I would avoid the whole wishywashiness scene...or...tell him to man up and to drop the gimp act... Id opt for the first one. :laugh:
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« Reply #4 on: February 15, 2012, 10:04:22 PM »
What everyone else has said.  Even if you want to bring up religion with him, this really isn't the time.
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« Reply #5 on: February 16, 2012, 11:55:00 AM »
This was posted by one of my best friends from high school (class of 1980).  Would you respond and if so what would you say knowing that gods are imaginary.
To all of my friends... If you didn't know I just had open heart surgery 6 days ago, Wow! What a surprise it was for us! Did not see this coming... no heart attack though and I should have a full recovery in time.
  I’ll take a stab at this.   

Dear high school friend,  Rright. You didn’t see it coming.  NO symptoms?  You just appeared in the OR and they were cutting on you for no reason?   
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This brings me to ask you a favor on this day of my 50th birthday... Let's say a birthday present to me. If you haven't already, please take time to really begin to understand yourself spiritually. You are a unique incredible creation, beyond anything we can image inside this body you live in today.
I have and I know that I am not a “spiritual” being.  I am not unique at all and I am content with that.  I don’t have to be some special snowflake who has to have an imaginary friend who agrees with him and promises that you’ll live on after you die.  I know, facing your mortality is scary but having such a primitive baseless belief that wastes so much time is ridiculous.

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Our time in this dynamic place is very important, for here we are to learn and to intimately understand the results of acts of the goodness of man and the damage that acts of evil played out in this temperary world. But more than anything else, we are to again, make a connection with God for whom we have lost through our own devices and self centerness.
This is a pretty typical arrogant claim for a Christian.  You think you are so important, that people need to suffer to teach you something.  How disgusting.  I would rather go to your magical hell than have one person suffer supposed “for” me.  Talk about self-centeredness. 

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God does not ask you to build a ladder to him by your good works or your deeds, but simply, in your freewill, standing right where you are at in your life, hold up your hand and ask to to be led to the full creation he desires you to be. You can not even know how you will begin to see life and learn to fully love each other for what we really are, unique incredable creations that will live beyond this place.
Unfortunately, per your own bible this is not what your god wants.  Your god whimsically damns people, randomly determining who will be abel to accept his “word” and who won’t.  So much for free will.  Also, I’ve prayed and looked for this god and unsurprisingly, I’ve gotten nothing.  Am I not as important as you or Thomas, or any of the other supposed people who were given evidence that this god exists?  I’ve also seen Christians who claimed to have done all of this and who are the biggest assholes I’ve ever seen.  Are they lying about their Christainity?  How can you tell?   Your claims of a afterlife aren’t unique either, so should I have just as much reason to accept Allah or Vishnu, etc, since they offer magic presents too? 

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I know you must be going, wow that Rudd must be some kind of holy roller or something... No, not at all, I asked God to reveal himself when I was 21 partying and playing in a rockband. Really read the bible smoking a joint. Glad I got over that little vise. He teaches me every day, do I think I'm at some holy state, heck no! But I would have to say this for sure, I have learned to greatly love and appreciate all of you, you are what is making my life full here. You are the fullness of my life and I thank you for that.
A spiritual life is not a bunch of Religion dictating right and wrong, but journey of anything you can image custom built for you.
  And the requisite glurge story claiming how “bad” you were, and how good you are now.  Lots of people have read the bible while stoned, often because they were rolling weed in the pages.  I’ve read it as a believer and as not, and its’ still the same piece of primitive nonsense as it ever was.  Again, you are one more Christian claiming God teaches you but that’s what all theists do, make baseless claims.  I do note that you, like so many Christians want to diss “Religion” in the delusion that you are so much “better” than that.  Hate to tell you, but you are practicing religion, just as much as those “other” Christians whom you think are wrong. 
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Well that enough said... I have wrote more on facebook here, than anytime since I made the account several years ago.
I'm one to talk as most of you know, really to a fault. Not much for writing.
Hey, God Bless and thank you for the kind words.
 
I wonder if you thanked your surgeons and realized that it was they, not some imaginary being that saved your life.  No,God didn’t heal you through them, if so, darned if God didn’t evidently hate everyone who dared to be around before modern surgery techniques were invented.   As for your asking God to bless anyone, doesn’t he know how to do that and when, being omniscient and all?     

He wants to make baselss claims to everyone?  he can deal with being told he’s wrong.  I don't think that there is some time where people are priveledged to be allowed to ignore the truth.  I never seem to be given the privledge to be spared religions nonsense.  But you all know that.  ;)
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« Reply #6 on: February 16, 2012, 12:51:18 PM »
I bet Velky's ol man never gets the remote at TV time.
"But I wanna watch...."  ;D
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« Reply #7 on: February 16, 2012, 12:53:36 PM »
I bet Velky's ol man never gets the remote at TV time.
"But I wanna watch...."  ;D

"No, husband, we shall watch geology porn and cooking shows". <snaps the whip>   ;D
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« Reply #8 on: February 16, 2012, 01:01:45 PM »
:::::deletes geology porn folder... :o
Gawd only knows what right wing whack job shadow gubnit group is plotting to do with that to discredit me.
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« Reply #9 on: February 16, 2012, 11:48:13 PM »
Velk has only responded as we would when a Jesus person shows up on the forum. The only difference here is that the bypass guy was in serious physical trouble. Most uf us would agree that he is in mental trouble too, on account of his faith thing.  We won't hassle him because of some physical frailty, but we'd slice and dice him if he dared to preach to us on the forum. 

I confess that I'd let it go, maybe even send him a get well card.  Velk is tougher and maybe smarter than me or maybe she has been hurt more aggregiously by jesus freaks than me.

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« Reply #10 on: February 17, 2012, 03:08:09 AM »
I bet Velky's ol man never gets the remote at TV time.
"But I wanna watch...."  ;D

I would suspect that any man smart enough to remain interesting to Velkyn could come up with ways to make it work.[1]
 1.  in my mind I'm picturing robots, and mind rays.
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« Reply #11 on: February 17, 2012, 05:38:44 AM »
We don't like the religious preying on the vulnerable when they are in the hospital recovering or are terminally ill.... so I don't think I would approve of shooting down this guy's beliefs at this time.

My step-father had major surgery a few months ago and my mom (his wife) posted something similar on FB. All I responded was:

"Thank goodness he came out of the OP well and is looking forward to a full recovery."

When I actually spoke to them over the phone (we live in different countries), they were thanking god and such and all I said was "That's great news... and don't forget to also give thanks to the medical staff who did an excellent job in saving your life. I know I owe them a debt of gratitude." That's all ... and they agreed with me.

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« Reply #12 on: February 17, 2012, 08:13:08 AM »
We all use poetry and metaphor to psych ourselves up.  We have to pull ourselves back from that at times to the coldly rational when we want to get things done.  Then we go back to enjoying a fictionalized life.  Much of what we think we remember about our lives is a rewrite.

Does psyching ourselves up with the poetry of religion get anything (good) done?  On a skeptics forum about 10 years ago I objected to the criticisms of the guy who had a rock trap his arm and he decided God wanted him to cut off his arm with a pocket knife.  That was necessary.  With his belief that God wanted him to, he did it and "saved" his life. 

Do you know there are people who are athletic trainers?  Of course you do.  But think for a moment, what do they actually do for a living?  I know.  I was on the high school track team.  The coach watched us run around the cafeteria (I lived in the northern tier of states and the sidewalks were icy) and just told us to keep going.  He had no whip to crack, no threat.  Just a voice outside me telling me to keep going. Maybe the NFL players who credit Jesus for their win are right (sort of).  If we questioned them about their training maybe when the player is exhausted and in pain he imagines that Jesus wants him to do 2 more reps with the weights or run 2 more laps.  One danger I noted as an adult exercising is you have to internalize that merciless coach teaching you to hate yourself when you give in to exhaustion.  That produces the phenomenon of an adult injuring himself when he should back off and take a break and reasonably call it quits for a day or 2.  A real outside voice, a real trainer probably would have better judgement as well.

Most believers are not going to do anything bad.  This guy is looking forward to enjoying life and doing good things.  Probably that's OK.  Probably.  All of us still wonder whether he'll become a snake handling risk taker or vote for Santorum or believe that since them scientists are faking about evolution then energy efficiency is a commie plot.  I pray that he does not[1].

Okay, so how is an atheist to psych himself up for life?  Here, turn to an atheist poet for metaphor:

 
WAKE: the silver dusk returning   
  Up the beach of darkness brims,   
And the ship of sunrise burning   
  Strands upon the eastern rims.   
 
Wake: the vaulted shadow shatters,          
  Trampled to the floor it spanned,   
And the tent of night in tatters   
  Straws the sky-pavilioned land.   
 
Up, lad, up, ’tis late for lying:   
  Hear the drums of morning play;
Hark, the empty highways crying   
  ‘Who’ll beyond the hills away?’   
 
Towns and countries woo together,   
  Forelands beacon, belfries call;   
Never lad that trod on leather          
  Lived to feast his heart with all.   
 
Up, lad: thews that lie and cumber   
  Sunlit pallets never thrive;   
Morns abed and daylight slumber   
  Were not meant for man alive.          
 
Clay lies still, but blood’s a rover;   
  Breath’s a ware that will not keep.   
Up, lad: when the journey’s over   
  There’ll be time enough to sleep.   
 
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« Reply #13 on: February 17, 2012, 10:32:49 AM »
I confess that I'd let it go, maybe even send him a get well card.  Velk is tougher and maybe smarter than me or maybe she has been hurt more aggregiously by jesus freaks than me.
I think it's because I watched too many Star Treks where you had to karate chop the believers and smash the god.   :)

and my husband tops me by at least 40 IQ points, so it's not hard for him to win a discussion, assuming we didn't already agree.   ;)   About the only difference between me and him is that he likes horror, a genre in which I don't see a point, and I like cabbage, which he finds a horror.

nice poem, historicity, thanks for sharing.   
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