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had to share, a great video supporting marriage for everyone
« on: February 10, 2012, 12:59:02 PM »
a video of one of the Republican legislators in Washington state on how everyone should have the right to bet married

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/vp/46335749#46335749

My hat is off to you, Representative Maureen Walsh. 
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Re: had to share, a great video supporting marriage for everyone
« Reply #1 on: February 10, 2012, 01:03:26 PM »
A pro-equality republican?
This is a first...
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Re: had to share, a great video supporting marriage for everyone
« Reply #2 on: February 10, 2012, 01:32:06 PM »
it is odd, but having a gay child changes many, and some republicans are of the old school, and not rabid theocrats.
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Re: had to share, a great video supporting marriage for everyone
« Reply #3 on: February 10, 2012, 02:16:27 PM »
it is odd, but having a gay child changes many, and some republicans are of the old school, and not rabid theocrats.

Eisenhower would not pass muster with the current conservative movement (who never mention him AFAIK).

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Re: had to share, a great video supporting marriage for everyone
« Reply #4 on: February 10, 2012, 02:39:19 PM »
Neither would the real Raegan...not the one they made up in their minds.
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Re: had to share, a great video supporting marriage for everyone
« Reply #5 on: February 10, 2012, 02:49:13 PM »
And let's not even mention Abraham Lincoln.

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Re: had to share, a great video supporting marriage for everyone
« Reply #6 on: February 10, 2012, 03:50:19 PM »
My hat is off to you, Representative Maureen Walsh.

Her marriage was tremendously special to her. It would be cruel to deny that potential joy to her daughter, or anyone else.

Simple, powerful stuff.

Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, amiright?

Are you listening, Santorum?

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Yes, it threatens my marriage. It threatens all marriages. It threatens the traditional values of this country.

Ah fuck, I didn't think so.  >:(
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Re: had to share, a great video supporting marriage for everyone
« Reply #7 on: February 10, 2012, 03:59:39 PM »
santorum is an ass, now he wants to claim that atheism leads to beheadings and says that Obama isn't religious, of course ignoring Obama's pathetic pandering to the National Prayer Breakfast nonsense.

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They are taking faith and crushing it. Why? Why? When you marginalize faith in America, when you remove the pillar of God-given rights, then what’s left is the French Revolution. What’s left is the government that gives you right, what’s left are no unalienable rights, what’s left is a government that will tell you who you are, what you’ll do and when you’ll do it. What’s left in France became the guillotine. Ladies and gentlemen, we’re a long way from that, but if we do and follow the path of President Obama and his overt hostility to faith in America, then we are headed down that road.

Seems like so many Christians can't help but lie and lie and lie.
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Re: had to share, a great video supporting marriage for everyone
« Reply #8 on: February 10, 2012, 04:16:02 PM »
I live in Washington State.  We also have the highest minimum wage of all 50 states.  Whatever the hell that has to do with anything!

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Re: had to share, a great video supporting marriage for everyone
« Reply #9 on: February 10, 2012, 04:50:59 PM »
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They are taking faith and crushing it. Why? Why? When you marginalize faith in America, when you remove the pillar of God-given rights, then what’s left is the French Revolution. What’s left is the government that gives you right, what’s left are no unalienable rights, what’s left is a government that will tell you who you are, what you’ll do and when you’ll do it. What’s left in France became the guillotine. Ladies and gentlemen, we’re a long way from that, but if we do and follow the path of President Obama and his overt hostility to faith in America, then we are headed down that road.

So Obama is leading us down the road to the conditions of the French Revolution because he is marginalizing faith? What history book is he smoking?

Seriously, I'm totally confused.  :o Whose side does he think he is on, the revolutionaries or the aristocracy?

As bloody as it was, the French Revolution gave rise to the Déclaration des droits de l'Homme et du Citoyen. Notably the rights are based on sovereignty of the people opposing the "divine right" of the monarchy. These were hardly people fighting for "god given rights" they were fighting against a god given monarchy.

The Déclaration des droits does contain one reference to religious freedom. It's a pretty soft "you don't mess with anyone's religion and they won't mess with yours" guarantee.

"No one shall be disquieted on account of his opinions, including his religious views, provided their manifestation does not disturb the public order established by law."

Seriously, Rick should actually read a few of the other provisions before he declares himself a French revolutionary. They are pretty left wing. Like this gem.

"A common contribution is essential for the maintenance of the public forces and for the cost of administration. This should be equitably distributed among all the citizens in proportion to their means."

What? Progressive tax rates? That's Socialism, Rick!!!  :D

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_the_Rights_of_Man_and_of_the_Citizen
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Re: had to share, a great video supporting marriage for everyone
« Reply #10 on: February 10, 2012, 05:02:37 PM »
These idiots and their followers don't seem to realize that it was an aristocracy who thrived on the oppression and poverty of the masses that brought about the French Revolution. And that aristocracy ruled by the divine right of god.

The reason the French government is so rabidly secular today[1] (as opposed to the French people who are vaguely Catholic) is because the people there know what theocracy leads to.
 1. to the point of doing things I think are stupid, like banning Muslim women's traditional hijab--why is it the govt.'s business if I wear a scarf?
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Re: had to share, a great video supporting marriage for everyone
« Reply #11 on: February 10, 2012, 05:06:56 PM »
Compare how nobles were executed (beheading with a sword or an axe, which was a very quick death) to how commoners were executed (by hanging, often quite slow with minutes of agony).  The guillotine was intended as an equalizer so that all criminals, noble or common, would be executed in the same manner.  Furthermore, the guillotine remained the sole civil legal means of execution in France until 1981 (excepting military executions by firing squad).

The excesses of the Great Terror in France (which is what Santorum is referring to, I'm sure) were a direct result of the government losing control of the situation (due to foreign invasion and internal revolt).

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Re: had to share, a great video supporting marriage for everyone
« Reply #12 on: February 10, 2012, 06:14:26 PM »
The argument from the Santorum's and Glenn Beck's (which is likely where Ricky got this idea from) of the word is that without God, the notion of individual's having unalienable rights would vanish into the closet of history maybe forever. Their argument basically presupposes two options. Option 1 to them is that our rights are derived from God. Option 2 is that our rights are derived from government. No room is left for other alternatives and those rights are opten not clearly specified and seem to be based on whatever belief system they employ.

 


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Re: had to share, a great video supporting marriage for everyone
« Reply #13 on: February 10, 2012, 11:00:13 PM »
^^^ I wish I hadn't watched that... now I haz a ANGRIES  >:(
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Re: had to share, a great video supporting marriage for everyone
« Reply #14 on: February 11, 2012, 02:24:59 AM »
That video only proves that Glenn Beck is a con artist.  Not that I needed to watch to know that.

The problem is, he's appealing to the kind of people who don't really understand these things, and it works because he knows how to sell it to the unsuspecting viewer or listener.  But he's presenting a false dichotomy in the attempt to get people to accept his alternative as "right" because of how he paints the opposite one.

But the simple fact is that rights do not come from God or government.  They come from people.  And the only way they are sustained is by people standing up for their rights.  Glenn Beck would have us believe that our rights come from God, but all that does is give those who claim to speak for God veto power over those rights.  And that is even worse than the communist dictatorship he decries, because the chains of a political dictatorship come from the outside, but the chains of a religious one come from within, and are far harder to break.

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Re: had to share, a great video supporting marriage for everyone
« Reply #15 on: February 11, 2012, 02:43:27 AM »
As to the OP, a lovely moment of compassion and sanity that I wish more politicians were capable of. Thanks, velkyn. It's sad that such basic human decency is newsworthy in our country.

But the simple fact is that rights do not come from God or government.  They come from people.  And the only way they are sustained is by people standing up for their rights.  Glenn Beck would have us believe that our rights come from God, but all that does is give those who claim to speak for God veto power over those rights.  And that is even worse than the communist dictatorship he decries, because the chains of a political dictatorship come from the outside, but the chains of a religious one come from within, and are far harder to break.

Bolds mine. Which is just why Beck and the other theocrat thugs want their sick SPAG back in government and secularism in the grave.

I can't watch Fox News; every once in awhile I try but can never stand more than a minute or so. I don't like feeling that angry and afraid. The one thing it does do is keep me from taking my moderate-liberal views for granted.

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