First, beform MM claims that he is beign overwhelmed, MM, you can request a one -on-one debate.
Please read Jeff's response for an example of how to respond to somebody forcefully AND politely. The question wasn't even asked of you.
Sorry, MM, but I’ll respond where and when I like. I don’t care about your opinion of my posts. I only care about the opinions of those who have earned my respect. You have not. You have demonstrated yourself to be a Christian who is dishonest and who tries to make false claims about atheists.
You can't understand how free will and God being in control can co-exist. I can.
Ah, that claim of knowledge again when convenient. Free will and divine control cannot exist together. It is a contradiction in terms, no matter how you try to redefine them. If God has a plan all though tout and all in place (being omnipotent and omniscient) *and* there is a rapist in this world, your god had to know he was going to do what he did, allow him to do what he did and have a plan for what comes next. But like most Christians you are too ignorant of your own bible to know that your god never advocates or demonstrates free will in that bible that you hold in such high reguard.
Per your bible, God constantly intervenes via miracles. Thus no free will. God could have stopped a rapist and not done anything he hadn’t done before. He could have allowed the rapist to think of raping and then smote him, again, doing nothing against anything in the bible. But no, we get rules on what to do with raped women. They have to marry their attacker; they have to be killed if they didn’t scream loud “enough”.
You sure like to twist things. Of course I read the bible. I've never memorised the passages in the OT which discuss rape - have you? The poster clearly had a verse in mind, I asked him to post it.
Nope, I don’t twist things, I observe and comment. I’ve read the bible and no I have not memorized the verses about rape, but I know that they are there. With your comment, it seems likely that you didn’t even know that they were there. I could be wrong about that and *if* I was, I’m sorry.
I invite somebody other than Velkyn to read what I posted and give their opinion on whether I was 'excusing rapists".
To answer your question about 'checks', I know that many sex offenders have said that their crime was a result of a gradual warping of their mind and attitude to women, often starting with soft porn, progressing to hard porn and to a chemical addition that is harder and harder to satisfy. I guess much the same way as a drug dealer.
Ah, it was the porn’s fault, then? And that men’s sexual urge is ever so powerful? You sound like various men who want women to wear a burka because their manhood is just to powerful to control.
I didn't try to change what the Guy meant at all and I agree with most of what he said in the article that was posted. I speculated that perhaps he's think twice about saying "horrible gift", but I really don't know. And I'm not going to debate abortion with you.
You said this MM:
I expect he wouldn't use the term 'horrible gift from God' if he could re-do the interview. But I'm speculating. I think his meaning was pretty clear, and I thought quite admirable. He stated several times that rape was horrible, and showed concern for the mother. Rightly so.
Yep, you are speculating and that’s what my question was about. What if he didn’t take it back? He’s had the chance and hasn’t. You want to portray him as so very concerned for the woman, and all that you have is an assumption on your part, countered with Santorums other words and actions. It doesn’t’ surprise me that you refuse to address the abortion issue.
I also see that you have used the common excuse that it was just the “culture” that was responsible for the nonsense about rape in the bible. Funny how the religion was the culture and a god supposedly gave all of these laws, right from the divine horse’s mouth. Jesus did said repeatedly that his father’s laws are *not* to be ignored. He never said that they were to be picked and chosen by Christains by how inconvenient they were for them. Jesus also never said put your wife first. Another addition you’ve added to excuse your bible. Paul said that women were to obey their husbands, that they should not speak in church, that they should not teach, etc etc.