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Offline Babdah

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I get a real feeling
« on: January 17, 2012, 12:09:21 PM »
that nothing happens when i went to church and here is the proof :P
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Re: I get a real feeling
« Reply #1 on: January 17, 2012, 03:27:31 PM »
interesting article.  I can remember thinking "what's wrong with me" when I evidently didn't get the same "feeling" as others did in church.  Heck, I wondered about it so much that I almost convinced myself I must be the "anti-Christ" since I didn't get those feelings. 

You'd think that the stats would be having that feeling 100% of the time, even outside of church.  I'm guessing that most that responded that they did get some feelings because they were expected to have done so to be a "real" Christian. 

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David Kinnaman, president of Barna Group, said the research shows that many churchgoers see the benefits of connecting with God and others in congregations.
quite a spin.  I see it that churchgoers see little benefit in going to chuch at all. 
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Re: I get a real feeling
« Reply #2 on: January 17, 2012, 07:49:06 PM »
is there a link here that's not showing up for me, or am I just blind?

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Re: I get a real feeling
« Reply #3 on: January 17, 2012, 08:14:19 PM »
is there a link here that's not showing up for me, or am I just blind?

It's on the word "proof"

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Re: I get a real feeling
« Reply #4 on: January 17, 2012, 09:15:30 PM »
ah, thanks :) It was showing up so close to the color of the rest of the text on my screen I didn't notice it.

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Re: I get a real feeling
« Reply #5 on: January 17, 2012, 11:40:46 PM »
Know what's awesome:

The group that was surveyed was church-goers. 

Imagine what the results would be if they could also ask non-church goers.

This is like if 50% of tatooed adults thought tats were ugly.  Because most of the untatooed adults also think tats are ugly.

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Re: I get a real feeling
« Reply #6 on: January 18, 2012, 12:38:22 AM »
Part of the text said that some of the church goers were disappointed because they failed to learn anything.  I submit that it is not in the best interest of the church hierarchy to deliver truths too freely. So no new education? Duh!

The last time I was inside a church I did get a feeling. It was one of nausea and disgust induced by a hell fire and brimstone preacherman.  A secondary feeling was one of heartfelt pity for the well meaning congregants who were obliged and willing to swallow such absurd tripe.

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Re: I get a real feeling
« Reply #7 on: January 18, 2012, 04:57:16 AM »
meditation causes certain parts of the brain to become more developed. Particularly, the parts responsible for imagination and perception of self. This is true for any form of meditation. Buddhist meditation, Islamic prayer with the gymnastics included, Christian prayer sans the gymnastics, hell, you could even meditate on the price of bread in China and get the same result. Thing is, the more you meditate/pray, the more likely you are to start 'experiencing' things ... and once you 'got a feeling' and you were 'sure there was something there' the more likely you are to ... meditate on the price of bagels in Uzbekistan ;)
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Re: I get a real feeling
« Reply #8 on: January 18, 2012, 08:08:04 AM »
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"In a finding sure to disappoint pastors, three out of five church attenders said they could not recall an important new religious insight from their last church visit. Of those who attended in the previous week, 50 percent could not recall walking away with a significant new understanding."

^^^No surprise there whatsoever.....And you can be quite sure that the percentages are not accurate either and that some people are lying in their responses to save face for the religious industry and justify their own place in the delusion.

The only disappointment that pastors experience is when the Tithe doesn't come into the "storehouse". Money keeps this appalling and manipulative machine well oiled and rolling along.  &)
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Re: I get a real feeling
« Reply #9 on: January 18, 2012, 08:46:28 AM »
Part of the text said that some of the church goers were disappointed because they failed to learn anything.  I submit that it is not in the best interest of the church hierarchy to deliver truths too freely. So no new education? Duh!

Actually, playing God's Advocate (heh), it actually says....

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"Of those who attended in the previous week, 50 percent could not recall walking away with a significant new understanding."

But is that necessarily a bad thing?  At least in terms of Christianity?  The "will of god" is not going to change on a whim, so after a while wouldn't it in fact be quite reasonable that no "new understandings" would come to you?  Wouldn't that just mean that you're getting closer and closer to understanding what god wants?

If you were new to the game, then sure - something new every week.  But let's face it - you go to church every week for 40 years, you're going to start to know it all backwards.  There's only one book, after all, effectively unchanged for 2,000 years.....how often will you find something new?
Just because you've always done it that way doesn't mean it's not incredibly stupid.
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Re: I get a real feeling
« Reply #10 on: January 18, 2012, 11:31:19 AM »
interesting observation, Anfauglir.  I'm sure a lot of southern churches really hoped no one learned anything new in the 60s. 

Of course, this is assuming that Christians do learn anything at all.  Most don't know it all backwards. They just nod when anyone in a position of authority to them says "this is true!" 
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Re: I get a real feeling
« Reply #11 on: January 18, 2012, 11:55:20 AM »
My father was a Lutheran preacher so I grew up in the church, went every damn week.

Besides learning to hate church, I also learned to dissociate pretty well, without knowing it at the time.

At some point in my teenage years, I started becoming aware that I would be aware of the hymn I was singing for like the 1st verse, but then it would be 4 verses later and I would become aware of my surroundings again and think: what the hell was singing? I'd look around to see if anybody was looking at me wierd, and they weren't, so I assume I was singing something that at least resembled the hymn. 

I work in an office and have to attend several Dilbertesque meetings every week, so the ability to dissociate comes in handy sometimes.

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Re: I get a real feeling
« Reply #12 on: January 18, 2012, 10:44:11 PM »
that nothing happens when i went to church

Perhaps you need a change of church venues -- something a little more lively...
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Re: I get a real feeling
« Reply #13 on: January 19, 2012, 12:54:56 AM »
Yikes! Them folks in the vid got the "feeling" for sure.

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Re: I get a real feeling
« Reply #14 on: January 19, 2012, 07:04:22 AM »
If there was a god, wouldn't he be sitting on the couch, eating pop corn
and laughing histerically at those people?
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« Reply #15 on: January 19, 2012, 10:14:28 AM »
If there was a god, wouldn't he be sitting on the couch, eating pop corn
and laughing histerically at those people?

If there was a God, he might in his infinite goodness and power actually be doing something about the suffering in the world...even if it was the suffering that didn't originate from mankinds choices. You know, like birth defects, starvation, disease, that sort of thing.

An Omnipowerful God needed to sacrifice himself to himself (but only for a long weekend) in order to avert his own wrath against his own creations who he made in a manner knowing that they weren't going to live up to his standards.

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Re: I get a real feeling
« Reply #16 on: January 19, 2012, 11:20:32 AM »
All that happens when I go to church is a bad stench (besides old people) fills my nose. Why do mostly people that are closer to dying from old age go to church rather than the younger people? Were they all atheists that decided they would worship and praise a god just in case there is one or they just have nothing else to do?
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« Reply #17 on: January 19, 2012, 11:26:09 AM »
All that happens when I go to church is a bad stench (besides old people) fills my nose. Why do mostly people that are closer to dying from old age go to church rather than the younger people? Were they all atheists that decided they would worship and praise a god just in case there is one or they just have nothing else to do?

habit, the social aspect, and fear of their mortality. 
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« Reply #18 on: January 19, 2012, 11:40:28 AM »
All that happens when I go to church is a bad stench (besides old people) fills my nose. Why do mostly people that are closer to dying from old age go to church rather than the younger people? Were they all atheists that decided they would worship and praise a god just in case there is one or they just have nothing else to do?

habit, the social aspect, and fear of their mortality.

Plus the social intertia for regular Church going was stronger 40 years ago, when they were young.
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Re: I get a real feeling
« Reply #19 on: January 21, 2012, 04:36:19 AM »
Yikes! Them folks in the vid got the "feeling" for sure.

I wonder, as a comparison, what percentage of folks get a feeling in their crotch, for sure, when they visit a porn site?

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« Reply #20 on: January 26, 2012, 09:07:21 AM »
that nothing happens when i went to church and here is the proof :P

About the same thing happens when you go to church as when you go to community theater, and there is no logical reason why there's a legal difference between the two.
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« Reply #21 on: February 06, 2012, 09:46:55 AM »
About the same thing happens when you go to church as when you go to community theater, and there is no logical reason why there's a legal difference between the two.
lolz

I believe the theatre performers are honest in their endeavors. Church theatre not so much... thus the difference. Doubt it is a legal difference though. Perhaps there is a legality to it though. For instance we do have freedom of speech, but (to use the most common example) we dont have the right to facetiously yell fire in a crowded theatre (may as well keep the common thread going), however we DO have the right and duty to yell fire in a crowded theatre if there is indeed a fire. So what are we dealing with here? It is the idea of lying that causes or may cause harm to the public that is illegal, not the act itself.

Is the church falsely yelling fire in a crowded theatre?

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« Reply #22 on: February 07, 2012, 08:21:58 AM »
Is the church falsely yelling fire in a crowded theatre?

If someone yells "fire! fire!", and the resulting stampede to get out causes injuries and death....and then when we investigate the theatre we see no fire.....and the man who shouted fire says "well, you have to believe the fire was there"......

.....then yes.  The church IS falsely yelling fire.
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« Reply #23 on: February 07, 2012, 02:54:46 PM »
Part of me wants to file suit just to see if the ACLU will step in. I wonder if I could get every Christian or even religous institution as a defendent in a civil suit.... reap in some punitive damages.

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« Reply #24 on: March 01, 2012, 12:59:35 AM »
You need a good bean supper the night before.......

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