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Re: Who else is tired of Obama?
« Reply #58 on: January 12, 2012, 10:06:14 PM »
But Mitt Romney can B.S all of you and youll believe him.

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Re: Who else is tired of Obama?
« Reply #59 on: January 12, 2012, 10:32:18 PM »
But Mitt Romney can B.S all of you and youll believe him.

What makes you think he can BS all of us. Some perhaps, but not me. Not even most of us, I'd guess. So why the generalization. Is that the only level you can think on?
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Re: Who else is tired of Obama?
« Reply #60 on: January 12, 2012, 10:42:38 PM »
This idea would have more power behind it if he (Obama) didn't spend over half of his time in office so far with a friendly  Democratic house..........

I think you oversimplify the whole thing Truth OT.  I stand by the notion that his hands were tied by a broken congress.  Just look at what you are suggesting here.  You're basically saying that it matters that his own political  party was in control.  The mere suggestion that that should make a difference speaks volumes about how broken this congress really is.  What should it matter what political party is in control?  When did that take precedence over the merit of an idea???  If 95% of dems vote yes on an idea and 99% of repubs vote no, that's not voting with the American people in mind... it's party lines.  That equals a really bad congress. In other words, congress barely gives a shit about his ideas.  They just care about their own parties.   

Even then, just because he had a party majority, he did not have the ability to do whatever he wanted to do.  If just a few of his democratic allies said no to his policies (which happened sometimes), the ENTIRE republican party was against him.   That means he would have to please every single member of his democratic party in order to get anything done.  What does that tell you about the system?  Does that sound like a well functioning process?  Does that sound like a solid, well oiled help-the-American-people legislation machine to you?  No, it's a worthless, heaping pile of shit. 

The republicans got what they wanted.  Their plan worked pretty well.  All they needed was a few democratic members who didn't always agree with him and it makes him out to look like the guy who couldn't get anything done.  Mission accomplished.  They've completely cock-blocked the whole process.  Congrats to them.  Meanwhile, the whole country still struggles to recover and to the rest of the thinking people in this country, they all look like a bunch of fucktards.     

While I (as an independent voter who voted for Bush senior and for Clinton)  blame mostly the republicans and their complete anti-Obama agenda, the democrats have a hand in it too.   What we've learned most about this whole thing is that it barely even matters who the president is.  He can set the tone.  He can talk the talk.  He can go city to city with his ideas, but unless you have a decent congress, you're completely fucked. It's congress that's the problem. 

If Obama DID have free reign (as you seem to think he did here), don't you think things would be different right now?  Of course they would.  But if he had that freedom, and our current situation is where we ended up, then I would say he was a mediocre president at best.  When you look back at the past 4 years, or even in the first couple years when his own party had full control, do you really feel as though he had the freedom to do what he said he would?  There's no way you can think that.  No way.  As it is, he killed Bin Laden, helped prevent another depression, stopped the war in Iraq, changed health care (slightly for the better IMO, but it's certainly not great), and for that I think he deserves a second chance. He's done as much as can be expected given the circumstances.  I think he'll get another shot, but his hands will remain tied because we seem to have a hard time electing members of congress who are willing to work together to solve problems instead of sticking to party lines.

I would like to see members of congress who say, "You know what?  I don't care who sponsored this idea.. I will analyze it  for the content and decide whether or not it will help the American people, and vote accordingly."  If Obama had a full house and senate filled with people like that, the last 4 years would have been MUCH more productive.  As it is, however, his hands were, and remain today, tied behind his back. 
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Re: Who else is tired of Obama?
« Reply #61 on: January 13, 2012, 12:40:16 AM »
We need another tough Reagan president. Not another lame duck president like Jimmy Carter. Now i want you folks go to Wal-Mart buy a GE lightbulb. Here is says CHINA in front of it. Its time to put liberals out of office. The sooner the better.

So, liberals are to blame for GE choosing to manufacture light bulbs in China? And, consequently, voting for conservatives over liberals will cause GE to return to manufacturing light bulbs in the USA?

That is a stunningly stupid thing to assert. Just ask Jack Welch.
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Re: Who else is tired of Obama?
« Reply #62 on: January 13, 2012, 01:28:51 AM »
Why you think the Tea Party kick the Dems arses out 2 years ago? Cause theyre sick of em like Obamacare vote for example.BTW im a TEA PARTY Guy too!



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Re: Who else is tired of Obama?
« Reply #63 on: January 13, 2012, 09:30:55 AM »
Steve, as always, you are behind the times. The Tea Party is dead.

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Re: Who else is tired of Obama?
« Reply #64 on: January 13, 2012, 10:37:20 AM »
But Mitt Romney can B.S all of you and youll believe him.

oh steve, you do a wonderful job of showing how much of a liar you are.  Keep going, it helps to know where you are.
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Re: Who else is tired of Obama?
« Reply #65 on: January 13, 2012, 11:11:29 AM »
I agree, America needs a new president. One that deserves that title and it should be someone that will make a huge difference for the economy and the public.
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Re: Who else is tired of Obama?
« Reply #66 on: January 13, 2012, 11:49:17 AM »
BTW im a TEA PARTY Guy too!

shocking.  I would never have guessed.  You seem much more erudite and clear headed than they. 
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Re: Who else is tired of Obama?
« Reply #67 on: January 13, 2012, 12:45:52 PM »
BTW im a TEA PARTY Guy too!

shocking.  I would never have guessed.  You seem much more erudite and clear headed than they.

in that his empty head parroting is at least spelled correctly. Oh wait "im"? I stand corrected.
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Re: Who else is tired of Obama?
« Reply #68 on: January 13, 2012, 01:50:31 PM »
They still excist,,Just wait til election day see how many more Dems lose their jobs. 

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Re: Who else is tired of Obama?
« Reply #69 on: January 13, 2012, 02:11:57 PM »
They still excist,,Just wait til election day see how many more Dems lose their jobs.

Steve, I'm curious, what happens when you are shown wrong?  When your delusions blow up in your face?  Will you have the courage to admit that your positions are flawed?  Or will you just ignore that, as you do our posts, soon to find a new "truth" that also fails?
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Re: Who else is tired of Obama?
« Reply #70 on: January 13, 2012, 02:20:11 PM »
I found this comment over in the Yahoo user comments and just wondered how much truth there is in it.

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Obama in his own words:
1. Obama keeps saying he has been "LASER" focus'd on "JOBS NO. 1, FROM DAY ONE " it is the 1st thing he thinks about when he wakes up and last thing he thinks about before he goes to bed. lol!!
2. Obama promised the 2009 $827 billion stimulus bill, aimed at creating jobs with “shovel ready” projects, will keep the national jobless rate from ever exceeding 7.6 percent.
3. "RAISING THE DEBT CEILING IS A SIGN OF FAILED LEADERSHIP" Obama.
4. Obama quote: "My Presidency will be a one-term proposition if economy doesn't turn around in 3yrs"
5. " I WILL CUT THE DEFICIT IN HALF IN MY FIRST TERM" Barrack Obama July of 2008. Check out youtube in July 2008 where he says Bush was irresponsible & unpatriotic for raising the nat. debt by 4 trillion from 5 trillion to 9 trillion in 8 yrs and every American now owes China $30,000.. Yet today we learn Obama has raised Nat. Debt by 4.8 trillion in just 2 years. HOW MUCH DO BE OWE NOW OBAMA?

SHOVEL READY WASN'T SO SHOVEL READY WAS IT" Obama joked in June that the 2009 $827 billion stimulus bill, aimed at creating jobs with “shovel ready” projects, “was not as shovel ready as we expected.” We went thru WWI, Great Depression, WWII, Jimmy Carter and never got downgraded, but Obama managed to do it by spending 4.8 trillion in just 2 yrs.Obama Blames Bush? Arab Spring? Earthquakes? TEA? etc.

Remember the day...

January 3rd, 2007 was the day the Democrats took over the Senate and the Congress:

At the time:

The DOW Jones closed at 12,621.77

The GDP for the previous quarter was 3.5%

The Unemployment rate was 4.6%

George Bush's Economic policies SET A RECORD of 52 STRAIGHT MONTHS of JOB CREATION!

Remember the day...

January 3rd, 2007 was the day that Barney Frank took over the House Financial Services Committee and Chris Dodd took over the Senate Banking Committee.

The economic meltdown that happened 15 months later was in what part of the economy?

BANKING AND FINANCIAL SERVICES!!!

THANK YOU DEMOCRATS for taking us from 13,000 DOW, 3.5 GDP and 4.6% Unemployment... to this CRISIS by (among MANY other things) dumping 5-6 TRILLION Dollars of toxic loans on the economy from YOUR Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac ! (BTW: Bush asked Congress 17 TIMES to stop Fannie & Freddie - starting in 2001 because it was Financially risky for the US economy):

And who took the THIRD highest pay-off from Fannie Mae AND Freddie Mac????

OBAMA

And who fought against reform of Fannie and Freddie???

The HYPOCRITE in Chief Obama

So when a LIB tries to blame Bush...

REMEMBER JANUARY 3rd, 2007.... THE DAY THE DEMOCRATS TOOK OVER!

I know it's probably quite old because the dow is back up to 12,374 at the moment. But the other points seem to provide counter argument to the accusation that the Republican party is any worse than the Democrat party.
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Re: Who else is tired of Obama?
« Reply #71 on: January 13, 2012, 02:27:19 PM »
Steve, I'm curious, what happens when you are shown wrong?  When your delusions blow up in your face?  Will you have the courage to admit that your positions are flawed?

I think that is the moment conspiracy theory kicks in for some people. Translates to "They STOLE the election!"
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Re: Who else is tired of Obama?
« Reply #72 on: January 13, 2012, 03:25:21 PM »
Steve, I'm curious, what happens when you are shown wrong?  When your delusions blow up in your face?  Will you have the courage to admit that your positions are flawed?

I think that is the moment conspiracy theory kicks in for some people. Translates to "They STOLE the election!"

probably. as for your other post, I'm sure you can do the research to find out how true it is rather than just spreading sourceless claims around unchecked.  there's a thread on Snopes that questions these claims: http://message.snopes.com/showthread.php?t=77592
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Re: Who else is tired of Obama?
« Reply #73 on: January 13, 2012, 03:57:53 PM »
I found this comment over in the Yahoo user comments and just wondered how much truth there is in it.

You wonder, do you, jay? 

You are making me wonder about you.
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Re: Who else is tired of Obama?
« Reply #74 on: January 14, 2012, 12:38:51 AM »
Even then, just because he had a party majority, he did not have the ability to do whatever he wanted to do.  If just a few of his democratic allies said no to his policies (which happened sometimes), the ENTIRE republican party was against him.   That means he would have to please every single member of his democratic party in order to get anything done.

Yeah, I'm surprised at how many smart, politically aware people this point is completely lost on.  Yes, Obama had 60 Democrats[1] in the Senate at one point.  But they forget that a part of that majority were fairly conservative members like Blanche Lincoln and Evan Bayh, members who represented fairly conservative states.  And there are still some very conservative members of the majority like Ben Nelson or better yet Joe Manchin of West Virginia who went as far as running ads that featured himself literally shooting the Cap and Trade bill.

When you keep all this in mind and also remember that the Republican part has been using the filibuster and other parliamentary maneuvers at an unprecedented rate then it shouldn't be hard to understand why Obama had a hard time getting some of his agenda through Congress.

But anyway, as far as Obama goes, I support him.  I think that he's done a fairly good job considering what he's been up against.  And I think that ideologically, he's about as close to me as a candidate for national office can be.  I mean, as much as I have to roll my eyes when Obama pretends to still be thinking over whether or not he thinks gays should be able to legally marry, for example, I know that it's a dance that he has to do.

And as far as the economy under Obama goes, I think this chart tells the story:



A recession began during the end of Bush's term that continued well into Obama's term.  Things have turned around.  But the recovery is slow going and there aren't yet enough new jobs to make up for those lost.

So yeah, I'm all about Obama in 2012.  Honestly though, I would have supported Obama even if the economy weren't in the middle of turning around.  For one thing, I think it's important to have Obama in office next time around if for no other reason than the fact that the next president will need to nominate a few Supreme Court justices.  And on everything from entitlements to foreign policy to social issues I think the Republicans are just batshit crazy at this point.


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Re: Who else is tired of Obama?
« Reply #75 on: January 14, 2012, 01:01:33 AM »
Also too:

Yall dont remember those 80s do ya? People had jobs and the military was strong again. Reagan was the only president successfuly bullied the soviet union.He even had the guts to make this speech.

Suppose Al Gore made that speech? The Russians would freakout and laugh at him

I don't really feel like trying to take apart the conservative folk story about Reagan and the Berlin wall but I would just like to say that at this point in Ronald Reagan's presidency, the unemployment rate stood at about 8 percent.  It's 8.5 percent now.

I guess I should also say that what little I remember of the 80s, I was but a wee lad then, is not being able to play outside because crime was insane.
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Re: Who else is tired of Obama?
« Reply #76 on: January 17, 2012, 03:43:37 PM »
They still excist,,Just wait til election day see how many more Dems lose their jobs.

Steve, I'm curious, what happens when you are shown wrong?  When your delusions blow up in your face?  Will you have the courage to admit that your positions are flawed?  Or will you just ignore that, as you do our posts, soon to find a new "truth" that also fails?

That latter most is pretty much standard operating procedure for most wingnuts.  The only truth is what doesn't agree with their wingnuttery is wrong. If a person they deem wrong somehow improve the economy...their side would have done better, if the economy tanks while the person they back is in control, it is because of the "legacy" of the person they didn't like.

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« Reply #77 on: January 17, 2012, 04:32:49 PM »
In matters of US politics, I am British and, as such, a disinterested person. However, I can say that Republicans always seem facile and simplistic and give no consideration to the people and cultures of other nations unless there's a few dollars in it for them. It appears that they have no idea at all of the consequences of their policies and pander to the mob rule, and then, once in power, they screw the mob.

To an extent, I like it when the GOP is in power, American jokes are handed to you on a plate. (Anyone for a few clips of Bush or Palin from YouTube?) And as for religion... I really believe that GOP will not be happy until they have introduced an Iranian style (but Christian) theocracy to the US and thus take away the work of those who grew the country as free and tolerant.

The Tea Party is amazing. Who would have thought that the Founding Fathers would have given people like that the vote!? Uneducated, vindictive, wanting to reduce everyone to the lowest standard, savages when it comes to the punishment of those they see as wrong-doers, denying health care, not taxing the rich, not taxing the churches at all, ready to go to war at the drop of a hat and promoting stereotypes of (i) themselves as illiterate morons with cretinous ideas and (ii) those who they perceive as America's enemies!

This is all very sad. It gives the world the impression that Americans are a cross between Homer Simpson and John Wayne, whereas, I am constantly entertained and informed by the majority of Americans whose opinions I read and value, but these all seem to be more-or-less Democrats.

Anyway, as a person here who is considered slightly to the right of centre, I'll let you get on with your internecine war and hope the reasonable party comes out on top.

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Re: Who else is tired of Obama?
« Reply #78 on: January 17, 2012, 05:24:51 PM »
Wow, Graybeard, great insight into the mess we call the USA today. :(
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« Reply #79 on: January 17, 2012, 06:54:29 PM »
....wealth and limited intellectual capacity are a shocking anti species anti society anti country basis for governance.

Wealth has only one interest and it is not altruism.
It must inevitably distort everything in its gravity well of greed.
It will only work for itself .....ever.
It will actively work against anything and everything that hinders or limits wealth, no matter the long or short term consequences to all others.

I am not saying all wealthy people are like this, but truly wealthy philanthropists are rare enough to be noteworthy and newsworthy when discovered.

So wealth buys politics.  And buys both sides of politics, but predominately owns and dictates to the right.

Obama never stood a chance, as the era of working class stiffs entering congress is long gone, and even his centRist position is hamstrung by the vested interests. $$$  Considering his starting position and the relentless compromising required to get anything done at all ....he has done non-capital-letters ok.
And I speak as an Australian well aware that the US is of world impact stature, so even while not emotionally invested, I have an opinion from self-interested observation.

So wealth rules the GOP

....and along comes the stupidity. 

Wealth doesn't even have to try hard with stupidity.
All they have to do is pander to lowest common denominator mouthbreathing fools with the basest of stimuli and lies.
They know rational appraisal will never be focussed by the faithfool, so they do it easily and cheaply.
And people who consistently vote for those who consistently fuck them are idiots, acquiescent, subservient, compliant and collaborative in their own rogering.

From a distance the GOP (which in the interest of honest disclosure I state as never having liked) has distorted into the ultimate party for wealth (at all costs) and of the stupid (for stupid stupid reasons.
Intellectual laziness and dishonesty is stupid.

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Re: Who else is tired of Obama?
« Reply #80 on: January 17, 2012, 10:06:58 PM »
This is all very sad. It gives the world the impression that Americans are a cross between Homer Simpson and John Wayne

There are probably very few times in American history where this hasn't been true.
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« Reply #81 on: January 18, 2012, 05:02:44 AM »
I just realised I want to add  to my previous post

.......all that I wrote, pertaining to politics, that can apply to Oz applies.
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Re: Who else is tired of Obama?
« Reply #82 on: January 18, 2012, 05:30:49 AM »
If you compare most Americans to Homer Simpson, Homer comes out looking like a genius.

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« Reply #83 on: January 18, 2012, 08:48:47 AM »
Here’s an interesting  article that is directly related to the philosophy of GOP. It gives insight into the ingrained  attitude of the rich. I should warn you that Ayn Rand is a twat and her advice does not work because it is not possible simply to behave as the rich do and then become rich; it’s an effect, not a cause. You are like this because you are rich not rich because you are like this.

I admit that it is not clear where a poorer/lower class person (and thus compassionate) who then succeeds in life, say as a politician, stands, but the Left in the UK and in America seems to have a small portion of arseholes – perhaps they should have been on the Right?

I was taken by the article because it reflects my life experiences – those who “get on by their own efforts” invariably have, to some extent, the ability to say, “Go and do that for me” or “I want you to finish that by 10 o’clock and don’t look for overtime payment.” In other words, they are not concerned it they take advantage of you and have little understanding of the other person’s needs. (If you haven’t guessed already, I’m not immensely wealthy. I have spent a lifetime not wanting to inconvenience people, being willing to help but doing most things for myself.

(You will note that I have been compassionate and, although I could have given a link and caused you the inconvenience of clicking it, I have, instead helped you more than you might deserve. :) )

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The rich are different — and not in a good way, studies suggest.

By Brian Alexandermsnbc.com contributor
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The 'Haves' show less empathy than 'Have-nots'

Psychologist and social scientist Dacher Keltner says the rich really are different, and not in a good way: Their life experience makes them less empathetic, less altruistic, and generally more selfish.

In fact, he says, the philosophical battle over economics, taxes, debt ceilings and defaults that are now roiling the stock market is partly rooted in an upper class "ideology of self-interest."

“We have now done 12 separate studies measuring empathy in every way imaginable, social behavior in every way, and some work on compassion and it’s the same story,” he said. “Lower class people just show more empathy, more prosocial behavior, more compassion, no matter how you look at it.”

In an academic version of a Depression-era Frank Capra movie, Keltner and co-authors of an article called “Social Class as Culture: The Convergence of Resources and Rank in the Social Realm,” published this week in the journal Current Directions in Psychological Science, argue that “upper-class rank perceptions trigger a focus away from the context toward the self….”

In other words, rich people are more likely to think about themselves. “They think that economic success and political outcomes, and personal outcomes, have to do with individual behavior, a good work ethic,” said Keltner, a professor of psychology at the University of California, Berkeley.

Because the rich gloss over the ways family connections, money and education helped, they come to denigrate the role of government and vigorously oppose taxes to fund it.

“I will quote from the Tea Party hero Ayn Rand: “‘It is the morality of altruism that men have to reject,’” he said.     

Whether or not Keltner is right, there certainly is a “let them cake” vibe in the air. Last week The New York Times reported on booming sales of luxury goods, with stores keeping waiting lists for $9,000 coats and the former chairman of Saks saying, “If a designer shoe goes up from $800 to $860, who notices?”

According to Gallup, Americans earning more than $90,000 per year continued to increase their consumer spending in July while middle- and lower-income Americans remained stalled, even as the upper classes argue that they can’t pay any more taxes. Meanwhile, the gap between the wealthiest and the rest of us continues to grow wider, with over 80 percent of the nation’s financial wealth controlled by about 20 percent of the people.     

Unlike the rich, lower class people have to depend on others for survival, Keltner argued. So they learn “prosocial behaviors.” They read people better, empathize more with others, and they give more to those in need.

That’s the moral of Capra movies like “You Can’t Take It With You,” in which a plutocrat comes to learn the value of community and family. But Keltner, author of the book “Born To Be Good: The Science of A Meaningful Life,” doesn’t rely on sentiment to make his case.

He points to his own research and that of others. For example, lower class subjects are better at deciphering the emotions of people in photographs than are rich people.

In video recordings of conversations, rich people are more likely to appear distracted, checking cell phones, doodling, avoiding eye contact, while low-income people make eye contact and nod their heads more frequently signaling engagement.

In one test, for example, Keltner and other colleagues had 115 people play the “dictator game,” a standard trial of economic behavior. “Dictators” were paired with an unseen partner, given ten “points” that represented money, and told they could share as many or as few of the points with the partner as they desired. Lower-class participants gave more even after controlling for gender, age or ethnicity.   

Keltner has also studied vagus nerve activation. The vagus nerve helps the brain record and respond to emotional inputs. When subjects are exposed to pictures of starving children, for example, their vagus nerve typically becomes more active as measured by electrodes on their chests and a sensor band around their waists. In recent tests, yet to be published, Keltner has found that those from lower-class backgrounds have more intense activation.

Other studies from other researchers have not produced the clear-cut results Keltner uses to advance his argument. In surveys of charitable giving, some show that low-income people give more, but other studies show the opposite.

“The research regarding income and helping behaviors has always been little bit mixed,” explained Meredith McGinley, a professor of psychology at Pittsburgh’s Chatham University.

Then there is the problem of Tea Partiers’ own class position. While they are funded by the wealthy, many do not identify themselves as wealthy (though there is dispute on the real demographics). Still, a strong allegiance to the American Dream can lead even regular folks to overestimate their own self-reliance in the same way as rich people.

As behavioral economist Mark Wilhelm of Indiana University-Purdue University Indianapolis pointed out, most people could quickly tell you how much they paid in taxes last year but few could put a dollar amount on how they benefited from government by, say, driving on interstate highways, taking drugs gleaned from federally funded medical research, or using inventions created by people educated in public schools.       

There is one interesting piece of evidence showing that many rich people may not be selfish as much as willfully clueless, and therefore unable to make the cognitive link between need and resources. Last year, research at Duke and Harvard universities showed that regardless of political affiliation or income, Americans tended to think wealth distribution ought to be more equal.

The problem? Rich people wrongly believed it already was.

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Re: Who else is tired of Obama?
« Reply #84 on: January 18, 2012, 11:38:34 AM »
I like to be self-sufficient because I don't trust many.  However, I do understand we are not "islands".   :)  I do know that GB's posts are quite true.  The idea that the rich, and impersonal things created only to make money e.g. corporations, will be magically concerned with those that they think they control is quite a delusion.   I know for a fact that the various natural gas corporations now here in PA are doing *all* they can to get rid of any controls against their actions.  If no one pushed back, we'd be back to burning rivers and things like the Bruin Lagoon and Love Canal because it costs them money to care.   
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Re: Who else is tired of Obama?
« Reply #85 on: January 19, 2012, 12:23:09 PM »

So wealth buys politics.  And buys both sides of politics, but predominately owns and dictates to the right.

Obama never stood a chance, as the era of working class stiffs entering congress is long gone, and even his centRist position is hamstrung by the vested interests. $$$  Considering his starting position and the relentless compromising required to get anything done at all ....he has done non-capital-letters ok.
And I speak as an Australian well aware that the US is of world impact stature, so even while not emotionally invested, I have an opinion from self-interested observation.

So wealth rules the GOP AND THE ESTABLISHMENT LEFT.

Politics (and politicians) is but a product, a service even, that is for sale to the highest or most influential of bidders. For a citizen to take sides with one establishment political idealogy over the other does little to nothing for the citizen. The right will always appear to be in the pocket of corporations like big oil while the left will be pulled by the strings of your Goldmann Sachs and other power players with global interests.
From the perspective of a non US citizen, I suppose the left would appear to be more appealing because the left tends to take more of a globalist approach while the right focuses (or paints itself as focusing) on America first.
Working class stiffs as you put it are virtually barred from being in politics. So whether a politician is a leftist or a wingnut, chances are they are a part of the wealthy or uber wealthy demographic. I find it almost appalling that not much is said about the fact that those who run for the higher offices in the US of A are basically all aristocrats, millionaires, supported strongly by millionaires, or are from generational wealth.

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Re: Who else is tired of Obama?
« Reply #86 on: January 19, 2012, 02:15:31 PM »
Someone pointed out the other day that Romney is so rich that his pursuit of the presidency is nothing more than a hobby in his eyes.  Has half a billion bucks or more, pays 15% or less in taxes and has millions off shore to avoid taxes.  I don't understand how people can think that an old boring white rich guy (in the 1%) is going to be concerned with their well being.  Funny...remember in 2008 when they were calling Obama an elitist? Wow, just wow, they can make us see anything they want.  The 1% can convince the 99% or enough of them to win an election (possibly).  Crazy world we live in now.
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