This is a good question. I wouldn't say for no good reason. Yes, I do believe GOD is capable but allows these things to happen for our own good...
You may not realize it, ILY, but this is a monumentally stupid idea. yhwh allows all manner of horror and tragedy to take place, for our own good
. Think about that for a minute. Apply that approach to parenting, since xians just love to use the god-as-father-figure analogy. You would allow your kids to get into any dangerous situation, do any kind of harm to themselves or each other, for their own good
. Sounds pretty backward to me.
So, just how is it for anyone's "own good" to allow shit like droughts, famine, earthquakes around nuclear facilities, tsunamis, etc, to happen?
Open your eyes.
... but does intercede more than people give Him credit for or more than the person may actually realize. Seeming to go unnoticed.
Oh really? How do you know? I ask because it seems to me the exact opposite. People give god all sorts of credit where it is due to actual existant people, simple coincidence, or where there is no credit to be had at all
Is worship actually a specific description of unconditional love...?
What do you think is meant by worship...?
Extortion and quid pro quo.
A good explanation of extortion: http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/forums/index.php/topic,7016.msg159058.html#msg159058
Quid pro quo. yhwh was always all about The Deal. With abraham, it was "worship me, give me a hunk of your penis, and I will reward you." That is what a covenant is. A contract. And by the way, yhwh renegged. See, the book of Job for details. All this bullshit about "unconditional love" is hippy nonsense. With jesus H
it was still a deal through extortion. "Believe in me and live forever in happy land. Or don't believe in me and be tortured infinitely."
Man is in a fallen state. Has been for a long time. The downward spiral started a long time ago.
bollocks. A fallen state implies a time where people were something better than they are now. There was no such time. We are morally superior to our ancient ancestors. They owned people. We don't. Every other human flaw is more reasonably explained by the fact that we are animals with big brains. This idea that there is a "downward spiral" is common to every generation. Read the commentary of any era and they all thought the world was going to hell in an handbasket. People don't like change.
Thousands of years on this planet together and we still can't learn to live at peace and in Brotherly love towards one another...?
why is that surprising? Keeping in mind that we are animals, and that all animals compete with other species and within their species for food, mates and resources, then of COURSE we don't live in perfect brotherly love. Our brains are not sufficiently evolved and probably never will be. Are you familiar with monkeyspheres
The actual current rule is an evil rule.
this is idiotic.
Has been for a long time. GOD intervenes on His peoples behalf or on those who call out to Him.
must not have called out to god then?
Yes, even the innocent suffer at the hands of evil men/ women.
but don't worry, it's for our own good.
GOD does not enjoy this and will deal with this swiftly at the right time.
So much stupid packed into one sentence.
If an omnipotent being does not enjoy it, why does it exist? You are saying, god's will is not being done. Not possible when you are talking about omnipotence.
It isn't dealt with swiftly if we have to wait for "the right time". You understand that, right? If your kid is drowning, dealing with it swiftly is right fucking now. The right time is this instant. Not tomorrow. Not next week. Not 2000 years later. Not after the kid is dead.
Get your head out of your ass.
My wife had a fling with a friend of mine before we were married.
Tried to kill myself over it because I was tired of hurting and I wanted to make her hurt.
Man, what a vindicitive asshole...
I think it is pretty safe to say that if GOD did in fact exist, he would want me to forgive him.
Or, he would want you to pork his wife - eye for an eye.
Or, he would have wanted him to pay your father in law 20 sheckles and marry your wife.
Your whole "forgiveness" shtick is your own hippy SPAG. Don't get me wrong. It is an improvement over the OT. But really, any of those conclusions are equally justified.
Perhaps... He helped me out with this un-forgiveness problem I was having.
Or, you figured it out yourself.