In brief to reply:
I suppose as I have worked this all out, I’ve found that the debate “circle” or “arena” or whatever you want to call it can sometime prove immensely detrimental to the entire process of genial discourse (and as I would and have also argued, constructive discourse). Really, it’s shocking to go back and read what one actually says to people.
Hmm, it seems that like so many Christians, as soon as your claims are not accepted with no question, debate isn’t “genial” anymore. What a nice baseless excuse for you, NTS, to declare that anyone who disagrees with you isn’t genial.
That being said, it was fun, and interesting, going back and read stuff from almost a year ago. Don’t get me wrong, there was definitely a lot of back and forth that was really good, but also a lot that was ultimately unhelpful. I would never consider the topics dead, but sometimes “necromancing” from older topics can prove to be better suited with a fresh approach, namely because their key points and ideas usually have become “mudded over” with hyperbolic emotions and grandiose rabbit trails. You could actually probably test this, and put a page number on it, i.e. whenever the thread reaches “x” amount of pages, the main points and/or theme of the thread has been lost or changed. I think that this is truly the fate of online message boards, but I do come back to them with the voracity of one who has a distinctly sublime appreciation for new thoughts and ideas.
It may have been “unhelpful” for you, because you failed in your attempt to lie about so many things. All you have done is repeatedly try to use the same failed arguments again and again as if they would suddenly become accepted. You have also used alias, in what appears to be an attempt to make it seem like more Christians believe as you do. Christians using deceit always is a good one. You of course have to make more baseless comments about “hyperbolic emotions” and “grandiose rabit trails”, when you have yet to show any evidence of such things happening. You want to make a claim that you can test this, but unsurprisingly, you don’t even try. Then you claim that you have a “voracity” for new thoughts and ideas. Funny how you never actually consider any of the thoughts and ideas presented to you and you return to your own disproven thoughts and ideas like a dog to its vomit.
Yes, I do see that NTS said he would never come back, but I believe that one can return with new approaches. What I had removed myself from was the insurmountability of the self-inflicted tasks I had presented myself with. For example, who in their right mind starts a post which asks non-theists to post ever contradiction in the Bible, and does so with any hope of address the flood of responses (in case anyone is wondering, that was me)? It’s simply not feasible, or ultimately, helpful. Suffice it to say it will never be attempted again in that capacity.
You are NTS and *you* ran away because you were being handed your ass on a platter. Then you returned and tried the same nonsense again and have had the same thing happen. You were offered one on one discussions. Nice excuses, NTS. They fail as always.
So what is helpful? I feel like I’ve touched on this before (in fact I know I have somewhere), and what I found is that in this type of arena, it is better to simply state your beliefs as clearly and consistently as possible, and make no subsequent attempt to push them onto others. Have I done this perfectly? No, obviously no.
What is helpful, NTS is for you not to repeatedly lie and run away from discussions. You try to preach and ignore the rebuttals people have for your false claims. You seem to want a soapbox for your nonsense and to have no one dare question your claims. You seem to think that you have some right to lie to us, to take away a person’s ability to make an informed decision. You haven’t even tried to participate honestly in a discussion. Your actions speak far louder than your mea culpas with their crocodile tears.
On a somewhat related note, I think it’s also important to understand one’s own limitations, and being that I am a living and breathing person, my goal is not to “live in a virtual world”. I mean, I could easily compare my time spent here with the time one might spend playing WOW (which I don’t play, so don’t ask), and ultimately through this, even the “pursuit of knowledge” (or whatever you may call the endeavors of this board) can prove unhealthy. Is pursuing knowledge unhealthy? Absolutely not, but I think that it’s just as important to do so with people “in the flesh” (there are a lot of people here who need a vacation from the virtual world, just saying, "old places, old faces"). I believe that doing this is not only beneficial for the pursuit itself, but perhaps better for the mind and the emotions in general. Like I’ve noted before, there are many things said on these boards that would never been said in person or public out of respect for the individual. In other words, the art of polite exchange is being lost. I believe that boards like this have a tendency to breed bitterness, and a bitterness, when investigated, which really bares no substance beyond an offhanded remark of vicious ad hominem. Words do bear a great deal of power. Indeed, “the tongue has the power of life and death,” and how we use them is very important.
Poor NTS, it’s everyone else’s fault for his actions.
Now it’s “unhealthy” to be here and it’s so cute to see you, NTS, claim that we do not pursue knowledge here. Such insults from such a “good” Christian, that “people here who need a vacation from the virtual world, just saying”. Tsk. Oh and moer lies about people here. Sorry, NTS, but as usual you are wrong. I have no problem saying to your face the same thing I say here. More lies about how poor NTS is the victim of how impolite we are, how bitter, how vicious, of course with no evidence of this again, just the baseless claims of martyrdom so he feels superior. Respect is earned, NTS, and a liar like you has not earned it at all.
So, in a personal apologetic of sorts, I would say that I will be careful in how I proceed. I really enjoy posting things of interest, and presenting personal opinions on matters, but I have not returned brandishing a sword. I find personal vendettas much too time consuming
Well, you did use apologetic fairly well in this last bit. A long excuse on why it’s not your fault in your failings, it’s everyone else’s; quite like your excuses for your religion. NTS, you have not presented personal opinions, as you try to claim so “innocently”. You have attempted to present your baseless nonsense as facts. You do serve as an excellent example of a Christian. Please continue.