Clearly, although I find that interesting that you don't feel it is irrational to waste time on something you know does not exist. Isn't life too short for such pointless pursuits?
Wow, the same question again! How not unexpected. Pianodwarf said it well. Read his post and please ask if you don’t understand his point.
When I see a theist trying to hard to convince me not to question his faith by claiming he’s so concerned about hw short life is, I just have to laugh. It’s such a poor attempt to try to get me to sit down and shut up. The fact that life is short is exactly why I do my best to remove religion from the face of the planet. Religion make false promises and causes people to harm each other over such false promises, especially the judeo/islamo/Christo religions.
Sounds, still, a bit counter intuitive. That might just be my perspective, but it seems like a huge waste of time and energy spent living this one life here on earth that is over so quickly.
Yep, it’s just your perspective. You desperately don’t want anyone to show your religion to be the myths that it is. Again, I do love the crocodiles tears, oh think of how short this life is. Uh-huh
Sorry, not buying it, IX. I’m wondering: if you knew of a belief that harmed people, that got children murdered by their own parents, etc, would you not do all you could to stop it? I find that to be very important and yet one more reason I do this.
This gives me a little more perspective on your motivations.
Hmmm. I’d like to make sure you aren’t leaving with a false idea, a strawman to attack, rather than what I really intended. Care to share what you think my “motivations” are?
I hadn't seen this, but this makes sense to me about why you "pray". It seems less and less about keeping an open mind, and more and more about this particular motivation. If I can find some time this weekend, I'll try to read some from your blog.
Ah, there we go, the claims that I didn’t pray in the “right” way. I knew you had it in you, IX. Unfortunately for you, no, I still pray with all honesty and all open mindedness to get an answer *if* there is one to be had. I prayed that way too when just losing my faith and your god still didn’t bother with me. I’ll admit I’m even more sure now that this god doesn’t exist, but I’m still honestly looking. Maybe your god is on Zeta Reticuli X, but until I have evidence I have no more reason to believe in your god than you have to believe in Odin.
Many, not all, Christians claim that their god wants all to come to know him. I do want to know about it if it exists. I wouldn’t worship it since I find its actions vile but I would certainly believe in it if I could know about it. Since I know that there is no god to answer me, no matter what Christian-given formula I try, I know it will fail.
I know, IX, that you want to claim that I “really” don’t want to know your god, but in fact, I do. I’m more than open to considering the possibility it exists, but as it stands there is no reason to believe it since you have no evidence. Just like the Easter Bunny, I find it silly.
How is it ever dishonest to claim I don't "know" an answer when I've admitted it would be speculation? Unless, of course, I had absolute knowledge that I was withholding from you intentionally (which I don't). Don't mistake that for me not having thoughts on the matter, but you asked me to identify the exact problem in your case, or at least that is how I read it...
Ah, but you didn’t say you didn’t know before. You said one could ask him *now*. And you evidently expected that this god would answer, did you not? Or were you saying “Why not ask Him now?” and not expecting anything at all. That would have been a rather curious position for a Christian to take.
So, you're really sincerely interested in discussing my views?
Of course I am. I’d love to see some reason to believe in the supernatural. I find this world a bit boring without it but that’s the way it is. IX, I like to play clerics in D&D, so I’m not adverse to religion. In the game, gods do things and help humanity (and elves, orcs, etc). I am adverse to religion that is built on lies and does little but harm.
However, a discussion won’t mean I’ll let your claims go without showing how I find they are wrong and requiring you to support your claims with evidence. If you think you have anything that’ll convince me your religion is true, by all means go ahead. If you find that you don’t like the sound of that, then you probably won’t like it here at all, discussing anything with anyone. Oh, and if you’d like to limit the discussion to just you and me or you and anyone else, just ask for a one-on-one and the mods can set up a thread just for that, so you don’t feel overwhelmed.