Anyway. Thoughts? Comments? Christians, if your space genie is so beautiful and pure and all good all the time and just the loveiest deity to ever wuv you big huggy bunches... How the hell do you justify it allowing some place like this to exist? If all things in the universe come from your god, then this too, came from your god. And since this place is eviler than the evilest evil, and it came from your god, how the hell do you trick yourself into believing that your god doesn't have some massive resoivoirs of evil in it?
If we are speaking of the God of the Bible, it clearly states why He created Hell in Matthew 25:41: “Then He will also say to those on His left, ‘Depart from Me, accursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels;' " Those who choose to have no part of God go to Hell and then Hell itself is thrown into the lake of fire:
Uh-huh. Just how does one go about throwing a place into another place? It's logically impossible. A place can only change and be re-named.
Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. Rev. 20:14.
Wait, so like Death, the skeleton in the black cloak with a scythe and the voice of Norm McDonald, along with a Greek God, get toasted. That sounds... Really silly. So does dying twice, honestly.
The God of the Bible created Hell and the lake of fire for those who choose to rebel against Him.
Come on dude. Do you know how insulting it is that you assume ANYBODY here doesn't know why your murderous boogie man made a napalm pit for barbequeing things he doesn't like?
The question was obviously rhetorical, meant to illustrate the very obvious logical problems that occur when you claim a magical all-powerfull being is NOTHING but "goodness" and "love", and then turn around and admit that he's letting thorny-cocked demons ass rape Norman Borlaugh day in and day out.
I promise you, most of us here know more of the bible than you do. You really should NOT assume that just because we don't believe in space elves, we've never read up on them. That's exactly WHY most of us are not Christians, in fact. Because we actually read the bible in it's entirity and are find it to be.... Lacking. A GOD should have done better.
That you guys can sit there, regurgitating feel-good propaganda and saying "love lovey love love! X luvs u! Y luvs u! Yahweh luvs u more than u can even IMAGINE!!
.... Now THAT is insulting. Because with VERY little effort, I can imagine love that doesn't involve TORTURING THE SUPPOSED "LOVED" ONE *FOR ALL ETERNITY!"
And ANY kind of love that doesn't involve eternal torture is better than Yahweh's love. A PEDOPHILES love, is better than Yahweh's love.
If the God of the Bible is real
You can tell because Jesus said he'd come back within about 60 years, or "Before the last of this generation leaves the Earth" or whatever the exact wording is, and it's now been 2,000 years.
How long you gonna sit at the table by yourself looking pathetic before you accept the fact that you've been stood up?
See, thing is, Christians like to say "You can't PROVE god is not real!"
Which is true. I can't prove some generic, god-like being or alien or robot space baby isn't out there. It's too vague and generic. There's no specific facts claimed about the Great Robot Space Baby.
However, with Yahweh, we have 1,000 pages of incriminating evidence and 2,000 year old goofiness to analyze. And let me tell you, the bible is just LOADED with blatently obvious bullshit.
Well, it's blatently obvious to any sensible person who isn't going into the text with pre-drawn conclusions. You have to be INSIDE the actual cult before it seems to make perfect sense. Because to anyone on the outside looking in... Well, I'll be honest, it is both sad, scary, and pretty funny watching you guys try to explain why Yahweh, who allegedly wrote the ENTIRE bible, didn't know that the snake in the Garden was actually big red scary goatman, and instead cursed an entire species of animal for eternity. Maybe he wasn't so omniscient back in the day.
But still, you'd think once he'd figure out he'd been duped, he'd have give snakes their legs back. No worries about eating dirt, they never adhered to that part of the curse any way.
Anyway, there's literally hundreds of chunks of nonsense like that. Almost something on EVERY SINGLE PAGE. That's why we CAN disprove the Yahweh god specifically. Rather easily. Because it's self-admitted autobiography jaw-droppingly primitive and ugly and straight up stupid to any 21st century person who's not a total rube or indoctrinated from birth.
and He did create the entire universe and all that is within it,
He didn't. Because Yahweh is PURE GOODNESS AND LUV AND HUGGLES, right? And yet there's cancer. And forest fires. And serial killers. And all kinds of really foul s**t. That's certainly IN the universe, so you have to accept the fact that either A.)Yahweh is chock full of evil out of neccesity, because there's so much of it out there and everything came from him, or B.), it's total bullshit.
then is there any reason why He should not have total authority over all the things He created, to do with them as He sees fit? Wouldn't that be within His sovereign right, since He created everything out of nothing?
Oh yeah. This one never gets old. Christians LOVE this excuse. Yeah, you're totally right. And you and your wife made your kid, so you can totally smash them in the collarbone with a golf club when they piss you off. Wouldn't that be your right?
Ugh. You guys are gross. You're essentially using the age old "Might Makes Right" excuse., and if you really think that's okay, then I don't like you lol. Because it makes you a total coward.
You actually stand there, totally castrated and spineless, going "Oh yassa boss, you just slaughter them liddle baybees all you like.'
Anyway. NO, space case. Because all-powerfull magical super space elves don't have "rights". HUMANS have "rights". And by human standards, the actions of Yahweh, in hundreds of examples, are deplorable and would get him the death penalty in a court of law.
You're trying to justify the actions of your god on some non-existant "divine list of rights" that simply doesn't exist, and isn't mentioned anywhere in the bible. In short, you're desperately reaching, and it's really pathetic to watch.
You MIGHT have a point if you're talking about a clay pot. Sure, smash the s**t out of it if you like. You made it, yes, but more important, it CAN NOT SUFFER.
And SUFFERING IS BAD.
Therefore, enforcing ETERNAL suffering on about 90% of the human population, including nearly EVERY East Indian and Asian who has EVER LIVED, is really really really really REALLY *REALLY* bad.
Your god is bad, Jimmy Jam. And not in the Michael Jackson super-kool way.
See, people ARE NOT CLAY POTS. Kinda shocking I gotta point this out to you. We experience emotions. Among them is Fear, which is absolutely horrible for those that experience it. Perhaps worse than any other emotion.
What I'm saying is, in this reprehensible and laughable ancient work of fiction, you have a magic space wizard who created things with the ability to *suffer*. It did not have to do this. At all. So the fact that it did, makes it blatently malicious and, yes, FUCKING *EVIL* dude. It encourages slavery, and rape, and genocide, and mysoginy, and homophobia, and pedophelia, and more.
The fact that Adolph Hitler can't even begin to compete with Yahweh in terms of sheer MAGNITUDE of sufering should really make you stop and think. I don't know why it doesn't.
Oh, right, yes I do. Because you hand-wave it away by saying "Oh, well, uh, you know, it's his RIGHT".
Nah-ah. Not by general human standards. It's considered Crimes Against Humanity.
The only one giving it the "right" to torture the world is YOU.
And you're just pulling that excuse straight out of your buttholey. YOU think it's his right.Because you're really messed up in the head and desperate to believe.
But you know what? Anyone who's not in your cult does NOT think this way. If asked, they would say, "Are you kidding? f**k NO it's not his right! You create living things, create the ability for them to suffer a million horrible experiences, you have a responsiblity to be considerate of your creation's capacity for suffering."
With great power comes great responsibliity. With INFINITE power comes INFINITE responsibility. Meaning if Yahweh was actually real, he should be handling humanity like we're made out of glass.
Now, if He has sovereign authority over all things, then He can make the rules and laws and He can be the judge of those who are subject to the rules and laws. If He decides that those who rebel against Him and His rules deserve punishment, then what gives you, me, or anyone else the moral authority to question God's morality?
What, are you joking? What gives me or anyone else the moral authority? Because we are the ones that the suffering is happening to, ya loon!!! f**k, get with the program! We are the ONLY ones with the moral authority to question Yahweh's fictional "morality", because WE ARE THE ONES SUFFERING BILLIONS OF HORRIBLE EVENTS! Derp! lol... If I'm roasting in a napalm river, you bet your pasty ass I'm going to exercise the right to go "WOW THIS FUCKING SUCKS, AND WHATEVER MADE THIS PLACE IS ONE DEMENTED WEIRDO!"
For realz. There has never been a human being alive, or a fictional character created, responsible for more suffering than the Christian god.
Well, I dunno. Maybe some Sci-Fi space warlord who's wiped out entire galaxies or something. But *I've* never read about a more fucked up, irresponsible, malicious, incompetent, fumbling, childish, EVUHHHHHL critter than Yahweh the Great Foreskin Collector.
Sorry. I guess, to sum it all up, I think you're completely full of s**t, and it's really really sad that you've brain damaged yourself in such a way that you can read your holy murderbook and still claim to *worship* and *LOVE* (
)the monster it details in it's pages.
I mean, to the rest of us... That's really messed up hombre. Ya'll got some issues.
Edit: LOL... 17 responses in the time it took me to write this... And I should have known the rest of the forum would hammer home the same points.
This is such basic level stuff. Like God-Killing 101 lol.