There seems to be no difference between “emotion” and “spirituality”, does there? Is emotion the answer to progress? We all have some, why do we want more, or a different type. This type of emotion has got us to the point at which we are the most successful creature ever known.
I don’t think that I am alone here in not knowing what “spirituality” means. Could you explain? I agree with the Wikipedia definition. See previous post.
You jest surely. Through civilization and ingenuity passionate for convenience and fired with self interest, we've managed to overpopulate and ravage the health of our environment. We've killed and warred and we are the most successful creatures ever known. And you'd probably say I am that one with rose tinted glasses. :-)
Can you answer why it is that you dismiss the philosophers of our own age so readily in favour of stone age peasants?
And why should we bother digging up these ancient stories? Have we not had brilliant philosophers in our own age? Why don’t we worship them as gods?To seek the truth.
Because they all talk about the same thing, it matters not who choose to listen to just which ones have a better grip on the topic. For mine Jesus (of the GOT) has one of the best a simplest explanations.
The children [of Aborigines] won't grasp the subtleties of the seasons or how to read the signs for water so the dreaming stories are designed to convey important lessons from generation to generation. I read a book written by aboriginal elders and spirituality was also highly valued.
1. By whom was it valued? - The elders
2. As I understand it, the Aborigines were mired in the Stone Age prior to the arrival of the European. They had no machines, no real medicine, no vehicles, no science, were infested with the parasites of superstition and subsisted at the lowest level of any human on the planet. And yet you think this is success? - Depends on what you value in life -- refer back to the OP and the big fish
Jesus Got had a saying... Know what is in front of your face.
I have a saying – try and keep up with civilisation, human knowledge and science. I leave such trite sayings as you quote to fairy-tales for 8 year olds.
Disagree (Agains what's important)
So parables is relevant
You are simply wrong. All you are talking about is the gibberings of the uneducated; simple stereotypical sayings, common to people who stopped thinking.
No your simply wrong. And the style of your responses gives you away.
Immature? Oh! I see, if you see them as ambiguous you are in some way less mature than, for example, you. Have I got that right?
Think Jones town. Jim and Tammy Baker.
Think all the people who are here. Think people who see through the folktales and 5000 year-old imperfect arguments and correctly dismiss them
Better don't think, then :-)
Correct for religion. Don't confuse spirituality with religion. Spirituality is not about words.
You seem to have quoted a lot of words in the cut and paste you did. Can you tell me the difference between spirituality and the real and meaningful word, “emotion.”?
Authentic Spirituality (or what every you want to call it) is where you'll find emotions such a joy and sorrow. You'll find a wisdom that people will recognize etc.. Emotions will be the signature to your understanding and maturity. For example the emotions of anger and jealousy will show spiritual immaturity. Authentic joy and sorrow will occur for the selfless only.
What I understand the vision represents is be good and you will have peace, be bad, lustful and follow your desires and you'll regret it… Read for yourself and determine what the intent is. I ignored the superstitious garbage from Enoch 1
But human experience does not bear this out, can you explain that?
You refer to good people receiving harm and pain. What I mean is that people who are genuine and live up to a common sense of good enjoy a clear conscience and are at peace with themselves. Of course they that does immunize them from those that embrace self interest. If one follows self desire you'll generally find that there needs are never satisfied and it fuels conflict and competition. Stress and jealousy etc have their day.
My point exactly. It’s all about the same timeless material - spirituality and shared wisdom.
There you go again with “spirituality". I’m convinced you mean “emotion” but want to put some “woo” into your words because they explain the bits where your philosophy breaks down into little pieces.
I mean spirituality. No woo. Call it the voice of humanity, the source of compassion, love, volunteering etc...
Some Aboriginals were attracted to the christian story. With a culture over 50000 years old you think they would have had all the answers. the connection the human condition/spirituality perhaps.
I can tell you that no serious person on earth would go to an Aboriginal for medical or dental treatment. I can tell you that no Aboriginal has ever won a Nobel Prize. I will tell you that their contribution to global civilisation has been nil (if you discount the discovery that the Witchity Grub is edible and the invention of the boomerang)
They were a set of warring savage tribes, mired in superstition, devoid of any real science or knowledge; they lacked higher educational institutions, they had no knowledge of metals, agriculture or maths. They lived as nomads and hunter-gatherers, without permanent settlements, something that Europe has left behind thousands of years before. Their rambling, delusional stories were the nearest they came to “deep thought.”
And you think that this is the answer to mankind’s woes, when the Aboriginals themselves went about killing each other.
Do you think it is time to stop pointlessly clinging to that idea?
Let’s look at the Australian Aborigine Creation Myth
There was a time when everything was still. All the spirits of the earth were asleep - or almost all. The great Father of All Spirits was the only one awake. Gently he awoke the Sun Mother. As she opened her eyes a warm ray of light spread out towards the sleeping earth. The Father of All Spirits said to the Sun Mother,
"Mother, I have work for you. Go down to the Earth and awake the sleeping spirits. Give them forms."
The Sun Mother glided down to Earth, which was bare at the time and began to walk in all directions and everywhere she walked plants grew. After returning to the field where she had begun her work the Mother rested, well pleased with herself. The Father of All Spirits came and saw her work, but instructed her to go into the caves and wake the spirits.
This time she ventured into the dark caves on the mountainsides. The bright light that radiated from her awoke the spirits and after she left insects of all kinds flew out of the caves. The Sun Mother sat down and watched the glorious sight of her insects mingling with her flowers. However once again the Father urged her on.
The Mother ventured into a very deep cave, spreading her light around her. Her heat melted the ice and the rivers and streams of the world were created. Then she created fish and small snakes, lizards and frogs. Next she awoke the spirits of the birds and animals and they burst into the sunshine in a glorious array of colors. Seeing this the Father of All Spirits was pleased with the Sun Mother's work.
She called all her creatures to her and instructed them to enjoy the wealth of the earth and to live peacefully with one another. Then she rose into the sky and became the sun.
Simply bollocks, isn’t it.
Perhaps not. Consider it as a metaphor or parable if you like :-) The stillness is meditation the best way to know the great father (human condition /spirituality). When the mind is still, it's the best way to experience reality. (What ever that may be). From here their reverently story introduces the Sun in order of importance the source of all light. They then relate how the sun is the life giver. How all creatures and their lives are related to this one energy source.
what a wonderful thing this natural world and we are. In their times this energy sustained their life and the story recommends trust that your have a wealth (in their time ) of resources. trust in this and live peacefully.
Now is that a worthy principle or not. Now Consider our current group of successful creatures. What's our story :-)
They lived in harmony with their environment for 50,000 years. their land was everything. They shed tears, the knew laughter and they loved.
Let's know compare what's been achieved in the last 2000 years and dare to consider the direction we're all headed in.