Perhaps I have, perhaps I haven't. I for one think that I have.
The Bible says "beware of false prophets" and something about the "real" prophets being able to do greater things than Jesus himself. So, can you raise the dead? Walk on water? This is en par with Jesus, not greater.
Your black and white idea of either seeing it as clear as day and not seeing it at all is to close minded.
You either know something or you don't. There is no inbetween. For example, you either know that the Bible is false or you don't. Those who say "I know that parts of it aren't true" are saying that it's false, even if they don't realize it.
We are talking about a religion here, not all of it is natural, so you have to bear in mind with me that when talking about these kinds of things, not everything has to have a repeatable or observable proof.
If your god had done the impossible even ONCE and showed that it was he that had done it, there wouldn't be an atheist on Earth.
I do believe Christians can see the work of God, not all of which are indistinguishable from natural causes, however if something like that did happen you probably wouldn't believe it anyway.
See above.
Was it you who mentioned Russel's teapot earlier in the other thread?
Yes it was. It's a very common fallacy used by theists who want to cling to their superstitions.
You have no way of proving to me that no prayers have been answered, and I have no way of showing you that they have been, at least ones that you would believe.
Try me.
And, in fact, I can show you that no prayer have been answered. See above.
Supernatural, as in not bound by our laws, your very reasoning for him to not be able to interfere could be considered one of those laws. How on earth would you come to a conclusion like that anyway?
If your deity is supernatural, then it is imaginary. Plain and simple. There's a reason why we call it "impossible".
When I attempt to argue against evolution (however terrible at it I might be), I don't say "That isn't true because God did it this way", I try and bear in mind that when dealing with the theory of evolution, I have to believe that the entire theory is true. likewise, if you are to be convinced of something like you, you can't go in with the standpoint of thinking that it isn't real no matter what I say.
Actually that's exactly what you've been doing - you've assumed the Bible to be true and say that evolution[1] isn't true because it contradicts the Bible.
Actually you haven't disproved him at all. Most of the things you are saying are downright wrong according to the bible and what it says about how God would act in a certain situation. Once again, you can't define supernatural with natural laws, by definition.
And yet here you are, defining the supernatural using natural laws.
Why do you choose to believe it is a cop-out? Once again, when we are dealing within the realm of "Why did God do X" you have to believe everything else about the theory/religion first.
There are over 40,000 denominations of christianity alone, each with its own version and interpretation of the Bible. But you're the one who got it right. Among the thousands of religions and the tens of thousands of denominations, you got it 100% right.
And mysterious ways IS a cop-out. It's saying "I don't know why this happened, since it contradicts everything in the Bible, so GAWD did it for a reason that I can't understand", rather than consider "I don't know why this happened, since it contradicts everything in the Bible, so it's possible that the Bible is simply a work of fiction".
Only by your definition that God doesn't have a will, you are basing your assumptions about God off of your other assumptions about him.
No, by your definition prayer never works, because your god won't let it work. Rather than use his omniscience and omnipotence to make everything good 100% of the time, it says "Fuck you, mortals. My plan is better than the fact that over two thirds of you will burn in hell for eternity".
I think you have come to the point of trolling now, honestly I know 12 year olds that could point out your false presumptions about what it says in the bible.
The Bible says "beware of false prophets" and something about the "real" prophets being able to do greater things than Jesus himself. So, can you raise the dead? Walk on water? This is en par with Jesus, not greater.
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Seeing God's hand at work =/= raising someone from the dead.
You either know something or you don't. There is no inbetween. For example, you either know that the Bible is false or you don't. Those who say "I know that parts of it aren't true" are saying that it's false, even if they don't realize it.
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I wasn't even talking about that, you completely diverted onto another subject. The human mind if flawed, especially when it comes to supernatural. All I am saying is that some will claim to see it when they haven't and that some will claim to not have seen it when they have. Whether or not they have or haven't is always black and white, the part about them being unsure about whether they have or have not is the shade of gray when it comes to our own minds comprehension.
If your god had done the impossible even ONCE and showed that it was he that had done it, there wouldn't be an atheist on Earth.
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He did, he fed the five thousand in front of 5000 people (alongside many other miracles). They even recorded it in a book, of course, you don't believe he did that because it was supernatural, therefore couldn't have happened.
Try me.
And, in fact, I can show you that no prayer have been answered. See above.
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What if I pray to not die in my sleep? Would that be an answer to prayer if I didn't? What about praying for your child to be cured of a disease? Would that be an answer to prayer if they were indeed cured? Once again, you can't prove that they haven't been answered prayers.
Actually that's exactly what you've been doing - you've assumed the Bible to be true and say that evolution
[2] isn't true because it contradicts the Bible.
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Bring up my faulty arguments against evolution if you want, but not at one point did I say "Evolution isn't true because it's not in the bible.", I did state that they contradicted them-self, but that was only as a response to another poster asking for a contradiction.
If your deity is supernatural, then it is imaginary. Plain and simple. There's a reason why we call it "impossible".
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This statement makes no sense, once again, we are dealing within the realm of God existing and I am giving answers as to why God would do some things. If God created man, then God can't be proven to be not real by mans laws. Supernatural =/= imaginary.
And yet here you are, defining the supernatural using natural laws.
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Example?
There are over 40,000 denominations of christianity alone, each with its own version and interpretation of the Bible. But you're the one who got it right. Among the thousands of religions and the tens of thousands of denominations, you got it 100% right.
And mysterious ways IS a cop-out. It's saying "I don't know why this happened, since it contradicts everything in the Bible, so GAWD did it for a reason that I can't understand", rather than consider "I don't know why this happened, since it contradicts everything in the Bible, so it's possible that the Bible is simply a work of fiction".
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I'm not saying I have it completely right, the many denominations of Christianity are very similar. The different interpretations are not different enough to fundamentally change the laws of the bible, if one denomination goes far enough to say Jesus didn't exist, they probably don't have it right, if they are following the bible. You should try to grasp the concept that not everything in this world can be solved by human reason and logic, that is another key building block of the christian faith. You argue that not everything that happens is caused by God yet you also argue that all of these things that happen that go against God are caused by him. I can assure that, that as far as my religion goes, God wouldn't do something to that contradicts what it says in the bible. There if no proof that God has ever done anything that contradicts the bible. Assuming everything that goes against the bible is a work of God and at the same time assuming every prayer of asking God to cure a disease is not because of God is just fallacious, your own proofs against the bible contradict themselves.