I asked Azd, way back in #264:
what exactly is your view? Can you state it in a couple of sentences? I've been responding to your statement in this post:
And there are those of us who believe in free-will as a subjective, experiential truth - ie. a truth about our experience - without believing it to be a physical fact. Like me.How is that different to Denis's position? - "believing that reality is deterministic while pretending we have free will", as you put it.
You replied (cutting the footnotes):
1. I believe that all of reality is
physically [deleted as superfluous, as agreed] deterministic.
2. The emotions one experiences when one thinks of one's self as having free will are essential to functioning as a human being. The absence of the emotions one experiences when thinking of one's self as lacking free will is similarly essential.
3. Those emotions are not rational. They are arbitrary outcomes of our biology. I've had some success conditioning myself to feel the reverse of what I described; full success would almost completely solve the problems with adopting a deterministic outlook.
4. To completely solve the problems you've brought up, we also must understand concepts like "responsibility" in such a way that they make sense from a deterministic perspective. I think I've succeeded at this, and am open to discussing it further. The problem is akin to that of a theist who becomes an atheist but retains their belief that without a god, we have no morality. A different moral paradigm is needed for that person, since they have only "half-way" abandoned their theism.
Does that help, Gnu?
That's more than a couple of sentences, considering you summarized my and Denis's positions concisely: believing that reality is deterministic while pretending we have free will, or believing that we really have "free will" while refraining from dealing with the problems of metaphysical dualism.
2. Not understood. I'm not sure why you're talking about other people's emotions. I wanted to know your personal position.
3. Likewise. That doesn't tell me anything about your position.
4. From a deterministic perspective, concepts like responsibility don't
make sense. Likewise freedom, credit, blame, and morality - all meaningless. Under determinism, nobody is responsible for their thoughts, feelings or actions. And again, this doesn't tell me anything about your position.
So no, that doesn't really help, Azd, sorry. I get point 1, but I knew that already.
And I still don't know what you mean when you say that you "believe in free-will as a subjective, experiential truth".
PS There's another post of yours I should reply to, but I thought I'd do this one separately.