If Jesus will cause or allow Mohandas Gandhi and Jewish Holocaust victims to suffer for all eternity, when the Christian Bible clearly says that Jesus is the only savior and human beings can't save themselves, wouldn't that make Jesus a monster?
If an all-knowing God created human beings foreseeing in advance that many (or any) of them would suffer for all eternity, wouldn't that make God a monster?
Yes. You're starting to catch on.
And if Christian mothers believe in "hell," how can they give life to babies who might end up in "hell" — wouldn't that make them monsters?
one might wonder this also.
This is the horror of hell-based Christianity: it turns God, Jesus and Christian mothers into monsters willing to play eternal roulette with the souls of innocent children. And what about all the mothers who would be forced to choose between Jesus and their own children? Could good mothers live happily in heaven with Jesus, knowing their children were suffering forever because Jesus refused to save them, when he was able to save the thief on the cross with a nod of his head? Surely only the bad mothers would remain in heaven. All the good mothers would curse Jesus and storm out of heaven to be with their children. They certainly wouldn't worship or praise the petty egomaniac who demanded belief without ever bothering to introduce himself to their children personally! (Michael R. Burch)
Oh, you were quoting somebody. Still, asks a lot of pertinent questions doesn't it?
Think about it . If God is all loving then He would not do this, which in turn would mean that some of the men in charge of writing the Bible may have changed it to meet what the powers that be,(men in charge, kings ) needed or wanted at the time. Which may explain way the Bible seems to contradict itself from time to time. I know, a somewhat wild claim, but a thought.
True, he wouldn't do this if he was all loving. So either he doesn't do these things, or he unloving. If some parts of the Bible may hae been altered by the hand of man, then how can we know what to trust? I know of no means of objectively determining whether the Bible accurately represents God. But if people are going to worship a God based on that Bible, even though it could be inaccurate or even wrong, then I feel justifying in calling them out. Either God does evil things as described in the Bible, or he doesn't. If he does, then he is not all loving. If he doesn't, then the Bible doesn't seem to accurately represent God. If the basis for your belief in God is an ancient and erroneous book, you really need to ask yourself: why? If there is an all powerful, loving, caring, benevolent God who performs miracles and interferes in human affairs in a positive way, it can't be the God described in the Bible
Even when you all are saying that the Bible is not the TRUE word of God , you still seem like you make your decisions about Him from what is written in the Bible.
That's because we are addressing claims made by those who do believe, with the basis of their belief being the Bible. It only seems that if one wants to discuss the claims made in the Bible, the Bible is a good source for those claims.
I am not saying I am wrong or right here. But still just looking for the truth and isn't that what you are doing or are you educated beyond searching or learning any more? Is it really God that you are mad at or don't believe in ,
Mad at? No, he doesn't exist I can't be mad at him. No I don't belief in Yahweh, the same way the Pope doesn't belief in Damballah.
or is it the way that people has taken religion and trashed it to the point of being ridicules that you are truly pissed about?
Nobody has taken religion and trashed it. Religion reveals itself to be trash with just an ounce of critical examination. Look at the achievements of Religion, and then compare it to the achievements of science: which one actually works and can change things? People use religion to justify all kinds of evil, and point to their religious texts as evidence.
Now before you rip this into threads, give it a second or two and think about it. Just saying
Ok. I did. Hopefully you don't feel that I ripped this into threads with any sort of negative connotation. It's not a personal attack.