Irrefutable proof that a god exists

[Joe Blow]

Probably pretty easy to bore you, small minds are like that.

Joe Blow - do you have any irrefutable evidence that there is a god?

Do you have any that there is not?

[riley2112]

He died June 29,2003 on the operating table at age 60.  We thought he had the flu.  Same thing that got John Ritter.  Completely unexpected.   

I would think that it was emotionally painful for you , something that would take awhile to over come., losing ones spouse can be hard on any one. How long after you loss did you see the medium?

[One Above All]

Oh ho Lucifer-I see you are dancing around everything I said about what the medium told me.

I'm a writer and my readers have been waiting for almost a full week for a new chapter. My time does not allow it.

Making you a little uncomfortable?  It does not fit in with your belief that we become nothing when we die does it.

It is irrelevant. I do not know you well enough nor do I know exactly how the conversation went to judge.

You would rather argue about what you think I should be doing in regard to my love of God and the Bible and everything that goes along with it.

Non-sequitur. Even IF there was an afterlife, there are nearly as many afterlives as there are religions. Your assumption that it's specifically the one you were most exposed to is pure arrogance.
Also, for someone who claims to love the Bible, you'd think that you'd also live by it. Or is this the kind of "love" a cheating man/woman shows his partner?

Can't explain it can you.

Not without more information. I can only provide possible explanations. You have given us nothing.

Do you have any that there is not?

Dodging and completely ignores the burden of proof.
Do you have any evidence that I am not YHWH? Does that mean that I am YHWH?

[Joe Blow]

He died June 29,2003 on the operating table at age 60.  We thought he had the flu.  Same thing that got John Ritter.  Completely unexpected.   

I would think that it was emotionally painful for you , something that would take awhile to over come., losing ones spouse can be hard on any one. How long after you loss did you see the medium?

I did not see her, I spoke with her over the phone.  He died in June and I spoke with her in January.

[Azdgari]

Joe Blow - do you have any irrefutable evidence that there is a god?

Do you have any that there is not?

Do you have any evidence that you are not a pedophile?

Is it as reasonable to call you one, as it is not to call you one, given the lack of evidence in either direction?

[Joe Blow]

Oh ho Lucifer-I see you are dancing around everything I said about what the medium told me.

I'm a writer and my readers have been waiting for almost a full week for a new chapter. My time does not allow it.

Oh-I wish I knew who you really were.  I would hate to think one of my favorite authors hated God.  I would have to give up reading their books. 


Making you a little uncomfortable?  It does not fit in with your belief that we become nothing when we die does it.

'It is irrelevant. I do not know you well enough nor do I know exactly how the conversation went to judge.

You would rather argue about what you think I should be doing in regard to my love of God and the Bible and everything that goes along with it.

Non-sequitur. Even IF there was an afterlife, there are nearly as many afterlives as there are religions. Your assumption that it's specifically the one you were most exposed to is pure arrogance.
Also, for someone who claims to love the Bible, you'd think that you'd also live by it. Or is this the kind of "love" a cheating man/woman shows his partner?

Can't explain it can you.

Not without more information. I can only provide possible explanations. You have given us nothing.

Do you have any that there is not?

Dodging and completely ignores the burden of proof.
Do you have any evidence that I am not YHWH? Does that mean that I am YHWH?

[Joe Blow]

Joe Blow - do you have any irrefutable evidence that there is a god?

Do you have any that there is not?

Do you have any evidence that you are not a pedophile?



Is it as reasonable to call you one, as it is not to call you one, given the lack of evidence in either direction?

Is it true you no longer abuse your wife?

[Azdgari]

What wife?

"Have you stopped beating your wife" smuggles in a premise (that you used to do so).  My question does not.

Now, is it fair to say that you are a pedophile, considering you've offered no evidence for not being one?

[riley2112]

He died June 29,2003 on the operating table at age 60.  We thought he had the flu.  Same thing that got John Ritter.  Completely unexpected.   

I would think that it was emotionally painful for you , something that would take awhile to over come., losing ones spouse can be hard on any one. How long after you loss did you see the medium?

I did not see her, I spoke with her over the phone.  He died in June and I spoke with her in January.

That would make me believe that you would still grieving for your husband. Please understand that I have felt the pain of losing a loved one. At first you refuse to believe it , then you get angry about it , then it sets in that they are gone. For a long time after I would , from time to time get the feeling that she was there, with me, the way the wind blew, the way the clouds seem to follow me, the feeling I felt from time to time. It seemed that every where I looked or every thing that I heard came from her. After awhile I came to the realization that I felt that way because that is what I wanted to believe. I wanted to believe that she was still with me, and she was ,in my heart , in my mind, But not here on earth with me. She was just the memory of the love we shared. I can understand why you believe what you believe. But it may be of help to you if you start looking for something that can be a little more substance in real evidence than just a feeling. Feeling are sometimes all you have to go on. But expecting someone else to believe in something that can not be shown as fact or even possible is unrealistic. You know I am speaking truth. I am afraid this cite is not about feeling but about evidence, facts, things that can be proven. But we both know that is not all there is to life, Don't we?

Until he extends his circle of compassion to include all living things, man will not himself find peace.
 (Albert Schweitzer)

[One Above All]

Oh-I wish I knew who you really were.  I would hate to think one of my favorite authors hated God.  I would have to give up reading their books.

Unless you read fan fictions, you won't have a problem with that.

[Joe Blow]

What wife?

"Have you stopped beating your wife" smuggles in a premise (that you used to do so).  My question does not.

Now, is it fair to say that you are a pedophile, considering you've offered no evidence for not being one?

You just cannot handle it when questions about God are thrown back at you all can you?  You think it is so cute and you are so smug when you throw out "Can you prove there is a God?" but when I toss the same thing back at you you come up with something completely irrelevant because you cannot come up with a good answer.  What the hell do pedophiles have to do with the conversation here?  You are the one who came up with the original question to begin with and I do not believe you were part of the original conversation anyway, you just want to start some shit.  Don't try and bring something else into the mix to get off of the original subject-it just makes you look like the fool you are.

[MadBunny]

It's rather astonishing how often this comes up.




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[Emily]

Joe Blow, I just think you missed the point completely. Keep swinging for the fences and you'll get there eventually.

[Azdgari]

I was demonstrating a point:

If I claim you are a pedophile, then it falls to me to demonstrate that you are.  I am responsible for the claim.  Until I do so, it's more reasonable to assume you are not one.

Similarly, if you claim there is a god, then it falls to you to demonstrate that there is one.  You are responsible for that claim.  Until you do so, it's more reasonable to assume that there is not one.

Now that I've connected the dots and coloured in the pictures, do you understand the concept I was presenting?

EDIT:  Someone who's 67 years old has no excuse for this kind of infantile behaviour.

[Joe Blow]

OMG-You all deserve one another!  You all live in your own little world and I wish to hell it was your own little planet!
You are a sick, sick bunch and may God have mercy on your souls.  I hope I am close by on judgement day when you step up and he kicks your asses all the way to hell...that laughter you hear will be mine and that voice yelling "I TOLD YOU SO!" will be mine too.  Have a Hellish Life ya'll.

[Joe Blow]

I was demonstrating a point:

If I claim you are a pedophile, then it falls to me to demonstrate that you are.  I am responsible for the claim.  Until I do so, it's more reasonable to assume you are not one.

Similarly, if you claim there is a god, then it falls to you to demonstrate that there is one.  You are responsible for that claim.  Until you do so, it's more reasonable to assume that there is not one.

Now that I've connected the dots and coloured in the pictures, do you understand the concept I was presenting?

EDIT:  Someone who's 67 years old has no excuse for this kind of infantile behaviour.

My infantile behaviour-----You arrogant son of a bitch.  Get a life and get a God you pitiful excuse for a human being.

[jetson]

OMG-You all deserve one another!  You all live in your own little world and I wish to hell it was your own little planet!
You are a sick, sick bunch and may God have mercy on your souls.  I hope I am close by on judgement day when you step up and he kicks your asses all the way to hell...that laughter you hear will be mine and that voice yelling "I TOLD YOU SO!" will be mine too.  Have a Hellish Life ya'll.

Quoting yet another beautiful liar for Jesus. 

Joe Blow, we don't believe in God, or did you not understand that when you registered?  You condemn us, and you are the one who is supposed to follow Jesus.  It is clear that you're unable to even remotely act like a good Christian.  Jesus is crying...

[Gnu Ordure]

Joe:

You think it is so cute and you are so smug when you throw out "Can you prove there is a God?" but when I toss the same thing back at you you come up with something completely irrelevant because you cannot come up with a good answer.

The old wildebeest sadly surveyed another smoking ruin of a thread, shook his head slowly in despair, and started to amble away across the scorching savanah of the Kruger National Park. In the distance he could faintly hear the powerful rhythms of tribal dunning drumming...

[Emily]

Yo Joe, no one is going to hold your hand on this forum. You've entered the lions den on your own. That is some awesome christian love right there - hoping to be close by on judgement day just to see how we get handled. You're acting like a little girl with a skinned knee. Grow up.

[Azdgari]

My infantile behaviour-----You arrogant son of a bitch.  Get a life and get a God you pitiful excuse for a human being.

Thanks for this post, and the one before it.  I was hoping for a good, solid demonstration of the infantile behaviour I was talking about.

Are you sure you're 67 and not 14?

[One Above All]

My infantile behaviour-----You arrogant son of a bitch.  Get a life and get a God you pitiful excuse for a human being.

Thanks for this post, and the one before it.  I was hoping for a good, solid demonstration of the infantile behaviour I was talking about.

Are you sure you're 67 and not 14 6?

Fixed that for you.

[riley2112]

I think you people should be a little more gentle on new toys. When you play this rough they seem like they break easily and then are gone. Would it not be more interesting to investigate a little longer as to why they believe what they believe. You already know how it is going to end up. So the fun part is how you get to the end , not how fast you get there. just saying.

[Azdgari]

Riley, this one clearly isn't here to discuss anything with us.  (S)he made that clear from the first post, and amply demonstrated it with each subsequent one.

You might have more traction, since you're a Christian and therefore not considered to be the absolute scum of the Earth.  The rest of us were beneath contempt before we said a word.

[riley2112]

Riley, this one clearly isn't here to discuss anything with us.  (S)he made that clear from the first post, and amply demonstrated it with each subsequent one.

You might have more traction, since you're a Christian and therefore not considered to be the absolute scum of the Earth.  The rest of us were beneath contempt before we said a word.

I don't considered you to be scum, hell I am starting to like you guys, at least I know where you guys stand on a subject and not only that , you can tell me why you feel that way, As funny as it may sound,I find that refreshing.

[Dante]

Is it more arrogant to think you were made in the image of a  god, or evolved?

Is it more arrogant to believe the entirety of the cosmos was created just for you, or that we're but an insignificant spec within it?

Is it more arrogant to believe that you'll live forever, or that we  all have a limited lifetime?

No maam, it is you, and your kind, that are the arrogant ones.

That, and youre a close minded, non thinking, crotchity old coot.

[Azdgari]

I don't considered you to be scum, hell I am starting to like you guys, at least I know where you guys stand on a subject and not only that , you can tell me why you feel that way, As funny as it may sound,I find that refreshing.

No, no, Riley, I didn't mean that you considered us to be scum!  I meant that Joe Blow did, and does.   

[Emily]

One could have the most polite, eloquent discussion about religion, where that person buys her coffee and dinner, and when she hears something she doesn't like she'll get all hostile, like she has here. She doesn't want to be questioned, but wants to questions us. She tells us we have small minds when she's proven to be very small - and closed-minded herself. She's got no intention on even trying to have a conversation with anyone. Such a shame. A 67 year old troll. Pathetic. 

[riley2112]

I don't considered you to be scum, hell I am starting to like you guys, at least I know where you guys stand on a subject and not only that , you can tell me why you feel that way, As funny as it may sound,I find that refreshing.

No, no, Riley, I didn't mean that you considered us to be scum!  I meant that Joe Blow did, and does.   

[Gnu Ordure]

Oooh, I see Joe is sending someone a message. Who's going to be the lucky recipient?

And is it going to be a message of peace and love?


PS Madbunny, I liked your teapot image, but two spelling mistakes in twelve words rather spoiled my enjoyment of it. Particularly when one of them was Russell's name. Yeah, yeah, I need to lighten up, I know...