No, that’s not what I believe. Careful on the misconstruing. I think it’s a good idea for us to call it quits tonight. I will as soon as I’m done here.
Can you please tell me then by what definition the word "many" means the same as the word "all"? When you say that "There are many places where people get to make their own choice about their future," the use of the word "many" clearly implies that not ALL people had choices about their future. I don't think expecting the words "many" and "all" to signify a different percentage of people (100% vs. not 100%) is misconstruing.
Here’s that strawman you mentioned.
Are you suggesting that I am accusing God of doing something he didn't do? He told Adam he would die the same day as he ate the fruit. God is threatening Adam with death for eating fruit. However, Adam eats the fruit, and lo and behold, Adam does NOT die the same day (in fact, he is alleged to have lived a pretty darn long time.) Don't give me that "God didn't mean that he would die physically, but spiritually" crap. Nowhere in Genesis does God say that. He says simply that Adam will die on the day he eats the fruit. Let's not put words in God's mouth. (Note: if God has an ass, he probably has a mouth too). Therefore, God does in fact threaten and lie to Adam. Note that the serpent(commonly believed to be a manifestation of the Devil) did NOT lie, and did not even suggest to Eve that she eat the fruit. The serpent merely gave Eve the ability to make an informed decision. Why would God not want people to make informed decisions? Because he wants obedient slaves. The serpent did not deceive Eve or Adam, God did. I don't understand why a perfect God would deceive his prized creation, unless he has some personality issues (given his jealousy, vengeance, violent tantrums, and cruel indifference to even his own son's suffering, I think that's a safe conclusion).
Let me check into this one. I may have typed too fast. My thought was that Jesus was fully human and so could have chosen to not do something that God wanted. However, as you say, Jesus was fully God, so he could not have sinned. But does that mean he doesn’t have free will? I don’t think so. Free will is the ability to make decisions based on intellect and will.
Which is precisely what God NEVER wanted his creation to be able to do. Again, why did he not foresee this flaw in his plan?
Because Jesus is God, he had perfect intellect and perfect will, so his decisions would have been perfect. We have choices because we are not perfect and we do not use our will or intellect perfectly.
Can you give me some examples of Jesus' perfect decisions? By what measure are they perfect? Also, if you say we have choices because we are not perfect, this could suggest that Jesus then, being perfect, had no choices and no free will. Someone who by their very nature has no choice, and therefore has no free will. They would HAVE to make perfect choices.
It’s like doing a crossword puzzle. I don’t know all the answers, so I have “choices” about what to put in. Sometimes I put in right answers and sometimes wrong answers. If I were much smarter than I am, then I’d know all the right answers and I’d make my choices to put them in.
I don't think this is quite an appropriate analogy, since Jesus is not "much smarter" but "perfectly" smart. After all, Jesus didn't even have a choice as to whether or not he would be perfect.
I could put in the wrong answers, but I wouldn’t. It would seem like I do not have free will, but really I would have perfect will.
I don't agree. Jesus, being perfect, would not have been at all capable of putting in the wrong answers. His answers would be perfect by default, negating any choice of his in the matter.
Yea, another one of those pesky strawmen. It’s like a Dr. Who episode.
I don't think that's a strawman at all, at least not in regards to what God did. God's plan all along was for Jesus to die. Furthermore, Jesus would have also known that he would be resurrected (for the Catholics, after he spends a short stint in hell.). I don't think it is wrong to question why an allegedly loving and benevolent and all powerful god would require his son to suffer and die just to appease God's own malicious and jealous wrath.
Ah, good points. We’ll get to those tomorrow. For now, please tell me what you mean by the latter? Do you mean that when God showed himself it forced people to a particular way?
I am saying that it is commonly purported by believers that God does not reveal himself these days, because doing so would violate the free will of those to whom he would reveal, as they are not able to make the choice (free will) as to whether or not God is real or not. They would know that he was by such a revelation.
I don’t know or remember all the parts of the body. Some think I should and I’m working on it, but for now, help me out please.
I am not certain what it is you are asking here. Could you possibly clarify?