Good Morning dloubet,
Thanks for responding, and at such a late (early?) hour, no less.
Well, how about you? If you were Judas, with the information you have, would you have "betrayed" Jesus?
Good question and an important question. Let me start with, if I were one of the Apostles, would I betray Jesus? Well, in fact, from what we know, they all did to varying degrees. From what I recall, all of them abandoned Jesus at the end out of fear for their own lives. To be more specific to your question, would I have turned Jesus over to the authorities? I would hope not. Particularly based on what I had said before about the teacher/disciple relationship and about the teachings and example of Jesus. I think I’m a better person than that. If I had, though, I hope I would have trusted then, because I do now, in the mercy of God, and not despaired.
You seem to be ignoring how much Judas would know about the situation, about the standards of that relationship, about the teachings and example of Jesus, about Jewish faith, about right and wrong. It seems that you want to set Judas up to be an unwitting patsy, but to do so you have to ignore all the information that Judas almost certainly did have.
But back to your question one more time. The problem is that we don’t have all the information about Judas. We don’t know why he betrayed Jesus. We don’t know his inner motives or inner demons in that act. More importantly, along these lines we must ask the question, do we know why he despaired and killed himself? We think we do; because he saw what was happening to Jesus and regretted it. He even gave the money back. But why didn’t he trust in the love and mercy of God? We don’t know.
And why would anyone even think to call it betrayal? Surely Judas was performing the god's plan, how can that be called betrayal? If you're doing exactly what someone wants you to do, you're demonsterably not betraying them.
Silly question. Because it was a betrayal. Even if it was a required part of God’s plan it was still a betrayal. I think the late hour was affecting you.
As before, and this is my own speculation, I don’t think it was a required part of God’s plan. I’ll have to see if the Church says anything about that. It seems to me that if Judas had chosen not to betray Jesus, that the Sanhedrin would have still found a way to bring him to trial. Judas’ part was, in one sense, such a small one. He identified Jesus in the garden. The Sanhedrin could have gotten many people to identify Jesus. I wonder if there was a Jewish law that placed requirements on the witness to Jesus’ identity.
No. It's not rhetoric. Free will is supposedly the thing that makes one responsible for their moral choices. One must be responsible for their moral choices so that they can be judged by those choices.
Free will is (a necessary) part of what makes us responsible for our moral choices. However, you are confusing will with knowledge. The 3 conditions for mortal sin are
- The action being taken must be of grave matter.
- The person committing the action must have full knowledge about it, e.g. that it is grave, that it is wrong, that it is happening, etc. (good vs. bad information)
- The person must give deliberate consent. (free will)
If a person picks door number 2 and that somehow causes someone to be killed, then they are not guilty of mortal sin. If they pick door number 2 knowing that it would cause someone to be killed, then they are guilty of a mortal sin.
That's what bad information turns our moral choices into: a crap-shoot. Yet the god supposedly judges us on the results, on the random roll of the dice.
You can now see that it is you who have bad information about how God judges us. You can continue with that bad information, if you want. However, since you know that it’s bad, you have more responsibility for your choices.