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God needs no one [#2632]
« on: December 08, 2011, 06:53:52 PM »
God does not need anyone to make an excuse for Him.

May God has mercy on you and save your soul in Jesus' name.

God gave us salvation and it is in His Only Begotten Son Jesus. 1 John 5: 11

No mistake or sin is ever greater than the Mercy of God, The Holy One
Of Israel and I know He will forgive you if you confess your sins.

Know this for sure, salvation awaits you because God loves you. Turn
away from your way of thinking and seek Him. He will reveal Himself to
you.

God loves and wants to save you! Allow Him into your heart and He will
reveal the Truth to you. Jesus, His Son is the Way, the Truth and the
Life. He is the same yesterday, today and forever.

When I apply my knowledge to seek the Truth, I found no other evidence
or fact apart from the Word of God.

I am glad that I came across your DVD. I am a Master of Philosophy
Degree Holder. But more importantly I hold and unconditional faith in
God, through His Son Jesus Christ, my Lord and my Savior.
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Re: God needs no one [#2632]
« Reply #1 on: December 08, 2011, 07:03:28 PM »
...wait, the site has a DVD?

Please, Mr/Miss/Mrs/Ms Master in Philosophy, share this evidence you have for god is the truth. Please do, because I am curious.

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Re: God needs no one [#2632]
« Reply #2 on: December 08, 2011, 07:28:21 PM »
God does not need anyone to make an excuse for Him.

And yet here we are.  Neither does Russell's Teapot for that matter


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No mistake or sin is ever greater than the Mercy of God, The Holy One
Of Israel and I know He will forgive you if you confess your sins.

Did he tell you personally?  What about my sin of blasphemy?  Does he have me killed before or after forgiving me, that's a big deal to me.  See Leviticus 24.  Or Mark 14 if you need the New Testament.


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When I apply my knowledge to seek the Truth, I found no other evidence
or fact apart from the Word of God.

You must not have been looking very long?  NO evidence outside of God?  For truth?  Theists love to say they have the Truth but I haven't gotten a definition yet!  I can just as easily say I found TRUTH in the beauty of a poem, or the grandeur of a mountain.  There is my truth.

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I am glad that I came across your DVD. I am a Master of Philosophy
Degree Holder. But more importantly I hold and unconditional faith in
God, through His Son Jesus Christ, my Lord and my Savior.

I am a Master of Science 'Degree Holder'.  Hey, it's as fake an argument from you as it is from me. 

Conditional faith is certainly dangerous.  From my minimal background in Philosophy, I seem to remember learning to question and use discourse and reason to make an argument.  It seems your program may not have done as well as you might have wanted if you still have 'unconditional faith'.

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Re: God needs no one [#2632]
« Reply #3 on: December 08, 2011, 07:34:52 PM »
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God does not need anyone to make an excuse for Him.

That is what apologeticists do. This site is not about apologetics.


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May God has mercy on you and save your soul in Jesus' name.

... I am a Master of Philosophy Degree Holder. But more importantly I hold and unconditional faith in
God, through His Son Jesus Christ, my Lord and my Savior.

I must ask, which institution of higher learning awarded you a Master of Philosophy?

John 14:2 :: In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

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Re: God needs no one [#2632]
« Reply #4 on: December 08, 2011, 08:30:06 PM »
No mistake or sin is ever greater than the Mercy of God,
Not a believer of hell then are you? Because how can the god of mercy find it in his heart to send people to burn for all eternity. 

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When I apply my knowledge to seek the Truth, I found no other evidence
or fact apart from the Word of God.
What is the "Truth"?  Truth of what?
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Re: God needs no one [#2632]
« Reply #5 on: December 08, 2011, 08:32:56 PM »
I aint got no smarts but even i know god is imaginary. ;)
Yo, put that in your pipe and smoke it.  Quit ragging on my Lord.

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Re: God needs no one [#2632]
« Reply #6 on: December 08, 2011, 08:33:12 PM »
May God has mercy on you and save your soul in Jesus' name.

He may or may not, depending on whether or not he exists. I'm guessing he doesn't.

Of course, since I am lacking a soul, it gets even harder for him to do that mercy thing, existence-wise.
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Re: God needs no one [#2632]
« Reply #7 on: December 08, 2011, 08:36:58 PM »
No mistake or sin is ever greater than the Mercy of God, The Holy One Of Israel and I know He will forgive you if you confess your sins.
Maybe you should study the Bible before you start prattling preaching it:
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Matthew 2:31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.
Again showing that atheists know the supernatural better than believers.

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Turn away from your way of thinking and seek Him. He will reveal Himself to you.
Yes, the Bhagwan Shri Rajneesh had a sign at the entrance to his compound to leave all rational thought behind.

If I do as you ask and abandon rationality (=my way of thinking), is there any reason I should prefer Jesus Christ to the late Bhagwan Shri Rajneesh?

That's a trick question.  Y'see, Oh, Master of Philosophy, if I abandon reasoning then no reasons can be true or false or better or worse.

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He is the same yesterday, today and forever.
Read the Genesis Flood story.  God changed his mind twice.  And lots elsewhere in the Bible.

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When I apply my knowledge to seek the Truth, I found no other evidence or fact apart from the Word of God.
Yesterday I abandoned a design I had made for a shop project I was constructing because it would require tools more precise than I have currently.  I simplified twice and came up with a solution that is self aligning.  Could the Word of God have helped with that?

When your car breaks down does the Word of God tell you what part broke?  Or are you one of the sycophantic parasites of our society who can't make or do anything?

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I am a Master of Philosophy Degree Holder. But more importantly I hold and unconditional faith in God, through His Son Jesus Christ, my Lord and my Savior.
Yup, a parasite.  Do you have a trust fund coming from the real work some ancestor did or will you find an audience of smaller suckers to kick into the collection plate and keep you in the lifestyle to which you wish to become accustomed?
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Re: God needs no one [#2632]
« Reply #8 on: December 08, 2011, 08:40:39 PM »
God does not need anyone to make an excuse for Him.

God doesn't exist.

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May God has mercy on you and save your soul in Jesus' name.

Jesus doesn't exist.

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No mistake or sin is ever greater than the Mercy of God, The Holy One
Of Israel and I know He will forgive you if you confess your sins.

Matthew 12:31 says, "Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men."

God doesn't forgive all sins.  It says so right there in your holy book.

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Know this for sure, salvation awaits you because God loves you.

He certainly has an odd way of showing it.  Burning me for eternity in Hell to show he loves me?!  How in the world can you actually believe that's moral or righteous?

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He will reveal Himself to you.

I did seek him - he never showed.  The reason is he doesn't exist.

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When I apply my knowledge to seek the Truth, I found no other evidence
or fact apart from the Word of God.

Funny how biases work.  When you only seek what you what to find you only find what you want to see.

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I am a Master of Philosophy Degree Holder.

I highly doubt that.
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Re: God needs no one [#2632]
« Reply #9 on: December 09, 2011, 01:15:22 AM »
No mistake or sin is ever greater than the Mercy of God, The Holy One
Of Israel and I know He will forgive you if you confess your sins.

Know this for sure, salvation awaits you because God loves you. Turn
away from your way of thinking and seek Him. He will reveal Himself to
you.

God loves and wants to save you! Allow Him into your heart and He will
reveal the Truth to you. Jesus, His Son is the Way, the Truth and the
Life. He is the same yesterday, today and forever.

You said that god is more powerful than sin, so why doesn't he just "reveal" himself to me already?  Is my er... harden heart more powerful than god?

I guess the power scale goes something like: sin<<<<<god<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<harden heart.


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Allow Him into your heart

Whenever I see someone capitalize "Him", I think of this guy:



So... Jesus is Him's son? :o  That would explain a few things...
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Re: God needs no one [#2632]
« Reply #10 on: December 09, 2011, 02:34:18 AM »
So, let me get this straight...
God needs no one, but he creates imperfect beings and demands that they worship him for all eternity?

Sounds like he needs us. A lot, actually.
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Re: God needs no one [#2632]
« Reply #11 on: December 09, 2011, 09:59:50 AM »
Christian #1239324972 with the same claims of how prayer works (it doesn’t) and how god just wants to know me (I’ve tried and all of the magic spells given by Christians fail), and the same baseless claims as every other theist.
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Re: God needs no one [#2632]
« Reply #12 on: December 09, 2011, 10:55:09 AM »
UGABUGA not need anyone make excuse for Him.

May UGABUGA has mercy on you and save soul in King Agga's name.

UGABUGA gave us salvation and it in His Only Begotten Son King Agga, Tablets of the Prophets, 5:1

No mistake or sin is greater than Mercy of Ugabuga,  The Holy One

Of South Island and I know He will forgive you if you confess your sins.

Know this for sure, Happy Good place awaits you because Ugabuga love you. Turn
away from way of thinking and seek UGABUGA. He will reveal Himself to
you.

Ugabuga loves and want save you! Allow Him into your heart and UGABUGA will
reveal Truth to you. King Agga, His Son is the Way, the Truth and the
Life. He is same yesterday, today and forever.

When I apply my knowledge to seek the Truth, I found no other evidence
or fact apart from the Word of UGABUGA.


That's what you sound like to me. Seperate your statement from this statement, logically. You have a masters in Philosophy, that shouldn't be difficult.

An Omnipowerful God needed to sacrifice himself to himself (but only for a long weekend) in order to avert his own wrath against his own creations who he made in a manner knowing that they weren't going to live up to his standards.

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Re: God needs no one [#2632]
« Reply #13 on: December 10, 2011, 03:15:28 PM »
If Biblegod (or whoever you worship) doesn't need anyone to make excuses for it, then it's obvious that Biblegod doesn't need anyone protecting it from others, right?

So, I think you lose the argument with your logic.

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Re: God needs no one [#2632]
« Reply #14 on: December 10, 2011, 04:07:53 PM »
Whenever I see someone capitalize "Him", I think of this guy:

So... Jesus is Him's son? :o  That would explain a few things...
That made me laugh.

Anyway, I think it's fair to ask the OP for proof to back up his claims.

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Re: God needs no one [#2632]
« Reply #15 on: December 10, 2011, 09:34:02 PM »
All the Gods are He and She and They.

When you call to Great Cthulhu do not forget those proprieties.  If you forget do He will torture you to madness forever.  Whereas if you reverence Him then He will bless you by eating you first.

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Re: God needs no one [#2632]
« Reply #16 on: December 11, 2011, 02:55:02 AM »
May God has mercy on you and save your soul in Jesus' name.

No, thanks; not interested.

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God gave us salvation...

According to your mythology, it's "salvation" from a problem created by the same god.  Not unlike a pyromaniac fireman, in My opinion.

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When I apply my knowledge to seek the Truth, I found no other evidence or fact apart from the Word of God.

Apparently you didn't look very hard if Biblical mythology was the best "truth" you could come up with.

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But more importantly I hold and unconditional faith in God, through His Son Jesus Christ, my Lord and my Savior.

Hate to break this to you, but your faith is conditional... Upon your physical body.  It will vanish automatically upon your eventual death, just as it goes into hiding every night when you're asleep.
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Re: God needs no one [#2632]
« Reply #17 on: December 13, 2011, 09:39:34 AM »
God needs no one, I agree. Because to have a need, a being first has to exist.
An Omnipowerful God needed to sacrifice himself to himself (but only for a long weekend) in order to avert his own wrath against his own creations who he made in a manner knowing that they weren't going to live up to his standards.

And you should feel guilty for this. Give me money.