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I know that many people in the US and maybe in a few other countries think that it is possible to implement libertarian ideas and create a good country. Well, think again. There are places in the world that already approach the libertarian ideal. They are called the third world. I have lived where there are almost no taxes, and the government is too weak or uncaring to really control anything and the people are left to their own devices. Guess what life is like in one of those countries?

These places have almost no decent public infrastructure --limited schools, unpaved, muddy rutted roads, dangerously neglected bridges, no public parks, no public libraries, hospitals with no way to sterilize anything, nonexistent sewer systems, patchy power grids. When it rains, the street are impassible and the muddy water runs up into your house. You wade through dirty, polluted water ankle deep to get anywhere. You have to boil water and wash everyone's feet when they get home to avoid parasites.

Only people with money can afford to educate their kids decently, so you have a huge population of semi-literate people with few job skills. Children go to work for the rich as maids and garden boys, or on the street as peanut sellers and shoe shine boys, just like Newt Gingrich wants them to here. Maimed, sick and horribly disfigured people beg on street corners. Good luck competing with that post-industrial high-tech global service economy!

Air quality is poor because people who drive use cheap leaded gas and everyone burns all kinds of sh!t, since there is no general garbage pickup. It stinks everywhere and the noise of unmufflered vehicles is deafening. Trash piles up and dead animals covered with maggots rot by the side of the road. Rats proliferate. Your neighbor keeps pigs in his yard and you feel sick whenever you open the window. The other neighbor runs a bar out of his home with music blasting at all hours. Drunks collapse and vomit in front of your house. (No government regulations! Hurray!)

The wealthy prey on the poor and live like kings behind gated walls guarded by private armed security. There is broken glass or barbed wire on top of the walls to keep the impoverished and desperate people out. The police force, such as it is, have their hands full protecting the rich from the poor. Nobody bothers to protect the poor from anything. The rich few have private water companies deliver fresh water while the majority drink nasty polluted water and have intestinal parasites.

Food is not inspected-- I once bought a carton of orange juice with a giant 2-inch long, hairy roach leg in it. (I became aware of it when something bumped against my lip as I drank the juice.) I saw a guy in a store cut up a raw chicken and then spread butter on a piece of bread for another customer (me!) with the same bloody knife. Mmmm! With no education, how would the guy know about germs? The salami factory was discovered to be using stray dogs and cats in the sausage meat. (Still think there shouldn't be government regulations?)

If you are stupid enough to try to mail a letter or package, expect the postal workers to steal the stamps and sell them. Or open the package and steal the contents--people mail shoes one at a time to keep them from being stolen! The rich few have their own electrical generators while the poor majority have candles, lamps, three rock fires to cook on, risky uninspected gas systems sold by shady operators or dangerous rigged systems stolen from the rich people's wires. One of the first social events I went to was a funeral for a youth who was electrocuted trying to steal power for his family. Sucks to be him!

I think we like the idea of free market libertarianism for a many reasons: we have this rugged individualist cowboy fantasy that never really existed outside of movies, we routinely use government services that are practically invisible because they work so well, we don't remember how hard poor people had to fight to become middle class throughout our history, we have never read a Charles Dickens novel, we don't want to admit how much we depend on communal and government services, we are ignorant of how people live in the rest of the world, we think the "socialist" countries of Europe are a bunch of wimpy fags.

We think that all we need is no taxes, a gun and the freedom to work without any unions and we will all become millionaires. Tell the people in Somalia or Haiti that the only thing stopping them from being successfull is too much government. And try to explain to the people in Denmark and Japan and Canada why it is more important to have low taxes and gun rights than the right to health care and a decent education.

Today's commie mommie rant hereby concluded.
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Extraordinary claims of the bible don't even have ordinary evidence.

Kids aren't paying attention most of the time in science classes so it seems silly to get worked up over ID being taught in schools.

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TOT, I was looking forward to your thoughtful reponse.  Any hope of getting it soon?
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Republicans would restrict how many times you take a dump if they could.

two words -

'pay toilets'

that would keep the democr4ps in line.

the paying line.

unless one might be a 'publican.

then the s-wordums are delivered to foxnews,

for recycling.

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Tomt, have you considered making a serious and/or thoughtful response to something on this forum at some point?
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Tomt, have you considered making a serious and/or thoughtful response to something on this forum at some point?

i did.

very first post.

answered a question that was presented.

then i was followed by what i consider to be unintelligent posters

perhaps you could give me an example of what you want to hear   -

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You're right, your first post was on-topic and a meaningful response to what had come before it.  I apologize for that; I was wrong.  And for what it's worth, I agree with your assessment of some of the responses people wrote to that post.

That said, though, a lot of your posts since then havn't met the same standard.  Including the one I commented on here.  What does it add to the discussion?  Is it on-topic?  Does it bring up any interesting ideas?  Does it challenge what anyone has said?  Does it even make a point?

As far as I can tell, the answer is "no" on all fronts.
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Why can't there be more John Stossels,

Because being an ignorant asshole on that scale is so difficult, most people do not have enough time, ambition or malice to achieve it.

agreed, 100%

john does have a twin.

an equal achiever.

separated at cloning.




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You're right, your first post was on-topic and a meaningful response to what had come before it.  I apologize for that; I was wrong.  And for what it's worth, I agree with your assessment of some of the responses people wrote to that post.

That said, though, a lot of your posts since then havn't met the same standard.  Including the one I commented on here.  What does it add to the discussion?  Is it on-topic?  Does it bring up any interesting ideas?  Does it challenge what anyone has said?  Does it even make a point?

As far as I can tell, the answer is "no" on all fronts.


lead the way.

by example.

i'll be watching.

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I did.  In my other posts in the thread.  Which were responses to other peoples' substantive posts.

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